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Without school you wouldn't be able to write this comment.
Maybe I'm just a spiteful bastard at heart, but if we could drop all the gullible types who say things like "I never learned anything useful in school" on their own planet I think they'd learn pretty quickly that while they didn't learn shit the people making society work around them did.
Like, how do you not even have enough of your would-be street smarts to know that what you're saying sounds like propaganda to defund schools even more?
Statements like "I never learned anything useful in school" completely misses the point of primary education. There is, objectively, quite a few subjects that are "unnecessary" to learn but even if kids don't remember the factoids and formulas they learn how to learn. So when they move on to higher education they know how to take notes, how to study, and that it's okay not to understand everything immediately.
Besides maybe the basic skills, I'd definitely say my parents generation definitely had better education. Then again, even with the basic skills, I question peoples' abilities to read and write properly because of things such as the Internet (and soon I'll probably end up blaming AI). I also include myself in that questionable category.
My parents taught me to write. School taught me to write in cursive.
I also read a lot on my own until shitty schools books killed my interest. That probably wasn't the sole cause, but it was a big part of it. I just couldn't dedicate time to reading on my own when I had to really put in effort to get through the school stuff.
The books usually assigned in school are literary classics. Such as The Giver, Tuesday's with Morrie, the grapes of wrath, the adventures of huckleberry finn, the odyssey, of mice and men, Moby dick, the importance of being Ernest, death of a salesman, and I could keep going. You are telling me those books are shitty? I don't think the books are the problem.
No those books were good and I definitely had an interest in learning English reading those. But child brains can't focus(well not mine atleast) and those books have very hard English and no images to make them interesting. It did teach me to look up hard words in the dictionary and now I'm pretty decent in speaking/writing in English. But the bad thing that I would point out is exams. You can't be expected to writing words like that and 3 page answers to each question and that to determine whether you'll pass or fail. Like all my answers used to be correct but since I wrote less in pages I would always get less credit on my answers. Also as someone who's been diagnosed with ADHD the 3 hours during exams were hell. I kept zoning out and looking at everyone else instead of the exams. And the bullying ofc. Good and bad experiences alike. Still i fail to see why online courses woudn't do the same thing. Children are naturally curious to learn for themselves and forcing things obviously doesn't work.
Oh as a teenager reading those books I definitely didn't enjoy them as much as I do now as an adult. As an adult I 100 percent enjoy reading more compared to my younger years but I still found some of those story's very compelling.
ADHD can be a pain in the ass especially when you are being forced to perform in an environment that is basically your worst enemy. I don't think standardized testing shows who's smart and who isn't. It shows who's better at memorization and concentration maybe. I also hated word counts as well and that why I also liked scientific writing better because it's to the point and cuts out all the fluff. I love reading the fluff now but not into writing it myself.
Well yeah, it was admittedly too complicated for me too. I just crammed all the words and regurgitated them in the exams. Doesn't exactly counts as "learning", parroting more like.
As an adult i still can't focus and keep reading the same sentence over and over and none of that enters my brain lol. Now I use Google TTS to read the Light novels to me, i still zone out at boring parts but I still get the basic gist of it.
I still do that myself I'll read a whole page and then realize I have zoned out the entire time and remember nothing. Usually that happens when I'm not as invested in the material. I'm current reading the wheel of times series and am enjoying it. However it has it's boring or just overly detailed areas that I find myself zoning out more in.
I only read one of those books for school, Huck Finn. That was a good book. We only read a tiny bit of the Odyssey, which I also enjoyed. We just had lots I didn't like. Great Expectations, The Great Gadsby, Shakespeare (yea, all of it, I said it), and Canterbury Tales come to mind. The last one mostly because of it being middle (?) English.
And I read stuff now, and none of it is genres I read in school. Just for 10 years after high school I basically didn't read.
I get that it is honestly hard to read stuff you just don't connect with or find interesting on some level. I absolutely loved the odyssey and huck finn. I can completely understand people not getting on board with Shakespeare especially when you're younger.
I've definitely gone back in red some of the really popular books back when I was in high school because I can appreciate them more now. However, I still read a ton of fantasy novels and stuff like that which I find more interesting then most things I read back then.