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I kinda hope they do and the US decides it's had enough and declares war and launches the fleets to force Xi to apologise or get him ousted by the rest of the party. Obviously don't want a real war, just real looking enough to freak out the CCP into backing down.
The outcome of that would more likely be war than a restructure of Chinese government.
And such a war would certainly make WWII look like babies at play.
Almost seems like china wants it. Their pilots are trained, their pilots act like infants.. its a safe bet they're trained to act like infants.
They are just like the playground bully. Acting all tough but they can't back it up.
Look at their aircraft carrier: https://thedefencetimes.com/2023/06/06/fujian-chinese-aircraft-carrier-cracks/
China wouldn't stand a chance if the US really wanted to swat them down.
I'll have you know that Major Cracks is a highly decorated member of the PLA!
(PLN maybe?)
Does anyone understand the impacts of this (genuine question)? I doubt the crack actually goes very deep, and is probably just in the deck armor. But that's probably very expensive to replace. I assume the point here is that it's ridiculous their carriers are cracking on their own while in active service, probably due to negligence.
Also, is it possible that's just water or dirt? Or are we sure that's a crack?
That's the point, I have no idea of the full impacts, I am not a crack expert. Well, not in these kinds of cracks at least.
Considering how bad modern Chinese construction can be, it wouldn't be surprising if the whole thing just snapped in half.
It’s their playground. We’re on their playground. Imagine if China had bases in Cuba and Bermuda and were flying near our airspace. Geez, the liberal brain rot is real.
That's no excuse for doing shit like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiLMDxH4mLs
This is fucked up! Planes crash at lower altitudes from wake turbulence from much farther away, and that's from being behind passenger jets! Not only do they crash, but they sometimes rip planes apart where they stand! This is an act not just of warning/bullying but of blatant aggression.
It’s the best excuse. If China was flying off the coast of South Carolina you don’t think our military would do that? GTFOH
Dammit, gramps. You're standing in your own liquid shit again.
Attack the person instead of the argument. Nice.
In international waters? Sure maybe they would fly close to keep an eye, but they wouldn't buzz helicopters or fly dangerously close to other air craft. Your brain rot is real.
Sure. I give links with evidence. You insult me. And I have brain rot?
Yes you did provide evidence of China being a dick and potentially causing international issues. I don't think that's the point you were going for though hahahaha.
From their perspective, America’s the dick. Surely that can’t be true. Hahahaha
In international waters? In international air space? Around their ally Taiwan? China can get fucked they are going to cause an incident. Not saying the US isn't a dick because duh, they are, but China is at fault here, hahahahaha.
My brain rot can’t understand this logic.
I know it's a shame.
It’s like I can’t think critically and logically understand evidence that contradicts my point of view. As if I’ve been indoctrinated into a belief system that invalidates reality. And when all facts point me to a different conclusion, I stubbornly grip those beliefs with all my might. I could, like you, think for myself. But I’m comfortable with what I’ve been taught so I resist change. Maybe one day I’ll have the strength to shake off the shackles of the propaganda that confines me.
Yes, but unironically.
Imagine believing a lie.
How does it feel?
Feels good knowing the truth, you should try it.
Oh I have been for years and years. Thanks!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be so defensive. I understand that China antagonizes in international waters. But I also understand that other countries do it too.
Absolutely they do, 100% I'm not trying to Absolve other countries from doing it, it's a shitty practice all around.
I’m interested in your geopolitical point of view. Do you believe America should contract and become more isolationist, instead of “policing” the world? Or do you see it as necessary to maintain order and prevent conflicts?
Difficult to answer, I don't think they should contract or isolate, but that doesn't mean they need to police the world. I understand them supporting their allies, with funds or military presence as a deterrence. However the US has stuck its nose where it doesn't belong too frequently, like the banana Republics they setup.
Thanks. I’m fascinated by economics and its interactions with geopolitics. If America lost economic prominence on the world stage, and this caused your comfort level to be affected (higher prices, recession, etc.), would you advocate for America to assert itself militarily to force countries to trade with it to offset the economic depression?
Edit: Don’t feel obligated to answer. It’s just a personal opinion of mine that selfishness on an individual level plays more of a role in how we view foreign policy than we realize. Also, it’s okay to be selfish. It’s necessary for survival.
A difficult question to answer, and I may not be fully equipped to give anything other than my opinion. If the US lost prominence on the world stage, I would have to say no, overtly flexing the military to force trade to offset a depression isn't much better than gangsters going around racketeering.
Thanks for offering an honest opinion.
You're very welcome.
This is paywalled lol.
Get money.
The south china sea is bordered by many nations. It does not belong to china.
Looks like you need this . Glad to help.
It's not "their playground". Besides the fact that the South China Sea is a crucial international trade route (and thus shouldn't "belong" to anyone), it is also bordered by many nations other than China, like Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines. And these nations are very bothered by the way China is using its size to bully them out of their own coastline. That is why Canada is there, to prevent China from dominating the smaller states. Obviously NATO has more than one goal in the region, but they are not uninvited guests and, in a world as globalized as ours, the South China Sea might as well be Canada's playground.
The united states navy is also working in the south china sea for the same reason iirc
Might makes right? That’s a very liberal interpretation.
Find a Tankie, block a tankie!
I’m not a tankie, I could just be an old man with a warped world view.
We need to figure out ways to reorient China's ambitions from an impossible ask - Taiwan, the 9-dash-line, and the South China Sea, and point out the obvious low hanging fruit, that wouldn't require force projection / airborne and naval landings, and a world class navy to oppose literally every other country in the pacific, and invest those resources where they could gain massive ground, repatriate ethnic chinese and repatriate Chinese cities that they were forced to give up and still want back, like Vladivostok. Russia is sick. China is already pushing for greater influence in the -stan countries - the move only requires a will for China to head north, capturing enormous amounts of land, resources and new citizens / customers for it's industries. And unlike the Pacific, I don't know that many will want to save them after the last few years... I don't see Belarus scrambling resources to send to defend Irkutsk.
What about America's blood/oil lust?
oh don't worry buddy I'm sure we'll still find some assholes or innocents to bomb, we're industrious like that, whole network of spy sattelites up there just peekin' and peeping for someone doing something fuckity that disagrees with our freedumbs.
never fails bud.