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I feel like all the news subs on Lemmy are slowly turning into a sixth form politics class with all the commie stuff recently. Is anyone here over the age of twenty, lol.
I think the fact that there is a variety of opinions being posted, compared to the censorship I witnessed on Reddit, is the more mature situation. If anyone is being childish, it's those who feel the need to censor opposing ideologies. Feeling free to post and discuss differing views has a lot of value. I am assuming by your use of "commie" that you'd rather dismiss an entire ideology and group of supporters outright rather than on any real grounds.
What opinions and ideologies are you referring to exactly? What discussions are you referring to?
This person is simply pushing the interests of the Chinese government and only replies insults and bad faith arguments when you try to engage in "discussion" or comment "opposing ideologies." They're not advocating for communism, they're advocating for their specific government to control more. Pretty laughable especially in the context of censorship considering China monitors their entire nation's internet traffic and censors everything that isn't pro-China.
I've noticed it's certain users pushing this and it's not even pro-communism it's just pro-Chinese propaganda. They're not trying to elevate people's state of living, rather just pushing interests that benefit the Chinese government.
Yup. Communism might be a viable thing and can be discussed neutrally but pro-China is just muddying the waters. They're pseudofascism
Theres on particular one who seems to be spamming all news subs. I called them out the other day and got dogpiled by people on their instance so I assume that's their bag over there.
That's really what it is. There's no balanced discussion. Just rabid nationalism and xenophobia that clearly breaks the rules. But because it's directed at the West, it gets a pass, I guess?
Lemmy attracts more activists, while Reddit attracts more passive users. This was by design, and if you're unhappy with it then Reddit is still freely available.
Are you really surprised that activists aren't happy with the West?
I'm not particularly happy with it, but I don't loathe it. There's a difference between being unhappy with your own country and holding water for dodgy places like China and Russia.
Russia and China are in completely different domains imo.
At least China is trying to do some good in the world (not out of the goodness of their own hearts, but because they want to build China's China for cheap labour... And that's ok).
China doesn't have cheap labor anymore, they have a aging population and no next generation taking over.
That's why they need Africa lol
I mean, in not arguing that China haven't contributed to the world economy and helped us get access to cheap tech and consumer good, but I think it's fair to criticise their approach to human rights.
For sure. Those problems are domestic, though, so to some degree it is a little hypocritical of us given the rather poor track record of North Americans and indigenous peoples.
As a Canadian, I do feel like me criticizing China for its treatment of some indigenous groups would be rather hypocritical given how Canada treated the First Nations people (the last residential school closed in 1997).
No country has a perfect history, go back far enough and we all have dark periods in how we've treated people. However that shouldn't mean we can criticise countries who are still doing so now in what's supposed to be a more progressive and enlightened world.
Mate, this is not history. It's right now. Unless you're ten you should even remember shit like the start of bombing of Libya which goes beyond even local politics. How much dodgier is China compared to "The West" even if you do believe the Zenz conspiracy, when the big leader country of that has let Native life expectancy drop 10 years during the pandemic, or how even European indigenous cultures like the Catalan get jail for daring to make a referendum on independence?
That's fair, but it just feels wrong to be criticizing other countries when we aren't even doing enough for those who suffered in our own countries. It's hypocritical.
I'm British, we don't really have an indigenous treatment issue. We exported that to you guys, lol.
SNP, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Féin have entered the chatlol very true
It's only hypocritical if you approve of it in Canada.
If we all stay silent on topics because our individual countries have deeply problematic pasts, then we all stay silent.
We can be vocal about it at home and abroad.
lemmy.ml was started by tankies and lots of tankie post here. Other servers are not simply Chinese propaganda.
You should check out !worldnews@lemmy.world. Lot fewer tankies being useful idiots there. The magic of the fediverse 🪄
Thanks for the tip. I'll get subbed. Seems like a lot of these types seem to be coming from a couple of instances.
Oh no, you've wandered off reddit and found out that people have different political views outside your walled garden. Now you feel the need to sound edgy.
Smartest average westerner
Showing Western hypocrisy and imperial attitudes is being a bigot now. Smart Westerner brain goes brrrrr.
You make the exact same argument a bigot would make.
But you people also like Che, a massmurdering homophobic and racist man so this doesnt surprise me in the least. This is likely one of your milder bigoted opinions.
That is some old ass debunked nonsense. See here. "Westerners" from the North can't even be bothered to read a bit before spewing racist conspiracy theories.
Que mierda le decis a el Che pedazo de tarro de bosta.
OP is an angry tankie who, to their credit, surfaces topics. Any of us can, few of us do.
Until and unless a more diverse set of people surface news/topics, we'll have the status quo.
OP is an angry tankie who, to their credit, surfaces topics. Any of us can, few of us do.
Until and unless a more diverse set of people surface news/topics, we'll have the status quo.