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Suella Braverman sacked as home secretary
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David Cameron getting back I to government!?!
He is better than most of their more recent seat warmers I guess...
He started this whole crap show. Because he was scared of losing votes to UKIP, he held that dumb referendum, and that set in motion the events that led to Cruella (Johnson in power purging anyone in the party who didn't bow down to his brexit ideology). Cameron can do one, he's worse than Johnson in my eyes.
The government is effectively acting like it's the opposition, while the opposition is acting like it's in government.
The whole thing's a shit show.
TBF I left the UK years ago, and find the country increasingly alien as the years go by. Like a mirror universe country replaced the one I used to know.
Where did you go?
He wasn't intentionally bad though, he just made a (huge) miscalculation about how much the leave campaign were willing to lie.
A lot of people were making the same miscalculation. You have to remember this was around the same time as Donald Trump's presidential campaign. It wasn't widely known just how powerful that tactic really was yet. A lot of people were laughing at the obvious bullshit, confident that it'll never fly, but were oblivious as to just how many were buying into it.
Why did he leave then straight away and dissappear from public life? He's completely arrogant and only cares about power. Why didn't he have a plan is it did go wrong? He's grossly incompetent. Any half decent government should prepare plans for even unlikely situations if they are possible and would cause so much damage.
To be fair, having a pro remain leader in charge of Brexit would have pissed of the Brexit crowd. Probably would have given a better outcome though.
If he came out and said he will follow the will of the people and appoint a pro brexit person to lead a new dept and also lead negotiations, I think he could've got away with it. At least he could've seen through a transition to a new govt rather than just abandon it everything.
Maybe he shouldn't have pissed off the brexit crowd with those govt paid leaflets and the support he gave. He should've planned something for what would happen if the vote didn't go his way. We could've at least figured out what type of brexit the country wanted as a binary yes - no was not enough.
I see what you mean though, maybe it was just never possible and it was his only option. I just think he caused the most damage to this country ever and somehow is getting away with it with seemingly no consequences. No matter what, he is so linked to this situation in a negative way he should not be in politics anymore, either as a cabinet member or lord
No matter what he wanted it probably would've gone worse for him to have remained. Can you imagine what the ERG would have attempted had he stayed? They only just about let May get in.
Then it's fine that he left but he shouldn't be allowed back in surely?
Why not? Enough time has passed now that the aftermath, or at least the immediate aftermath, has all been handled.
He was a Eurosceptic masquerading as a pro-EU campaigner. He gambled his power with different referenda (AV in 2011, Scottish independence in 2014, and the UK self-sanction in 2016).
He looks competent, but he's directly and indirectly caused so much harm to this country.
I don't think there's much evidence that suggests that. What he was, was complacent about Remain's chances of success - and he wasnt the only one.
It was intentionally bad. It was party over country, as usual for the Tories. And then he did a runner when he lost. Filthy piece of toerag, he's got a nerve showing his face in government again.
I'm not sure that calling a referendum to let the voters choose can be considered bad. (The result was though)
I doubt it he has no conviction or staying power.
He had a pretty strong conviction on staying in the EU. He only delivered the referendum because he thought it would shut up the Leave crowd. He resigned immediately after.