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I think others have mentioned this, but I'm disturbed that the article seems more concerned about guns than about the way our society and culture fails older men.
Sure it gets a mention but omg guns.
Get rid of all guns and gun suicides will plummet! It's just obvious! Can't you see that?! The problem is GUNS GUNS GUNS. After all, this is an anti gun article, right?! Wait... Why does the article mention suicide?
The idea of stopping suicide by removing the means is absolutely sick when you think about it.
Removing the means of suicide is the crudest, least helpful method of suicide prevention.
It's also extremely cruel. Like if someone really wants to kill themselves due to ongoing unsolvable pain, they should absolutely have that right. Suicide is a human right.
Sure, of course we should do our best to provide options to solve their pain...even if they feel it is unsolvable, it might not be. It is important we do everything to show them that it might actually be solvable. I'm not denying we need more of those supports for people considering suicide. But like, if they have tried absolutely everything and are in a constant state of pain then only a truly evil person would force them to continue to suffer. It's fundamentally immoral.
Children are able to understand why putting a suffering dog down in the right course of action, but somehow a majority of adults seem unable to draw the same conclusion around people with incurable terminal illnesses that make people suffer immensely (for example ALS).
Shouldn't you guys be somewhere crying out mental health in the replies to yet another mass shooting article?
Sure you can kill yourself other ways, and society isn't great to older men, or men, or women, or infants, or whatever...but guns deliver instant death that is just barely on this side of the line of premeditated.
The rise in suicide rates also coincides with lax gun laws if you have read anything about the subject.
Think about the last time you had a long, lonely night, it was miserable, right? What if you had an instant way of ending it all right that moment at the height of your torment, and that method was within arm's reach?
Guns can easily turn a bad night into a person's last night. Expand outreach for mental health and work on improving society in other ways, sure, but continuing to provide ubiquitous, instant means to kill yourself and others does zero to solve any of society's ills.
What a load of horse shit.
Wedging guns is nothing but disingenuous.
Suicide is caused by depression. Not guns, Depression.
Higher male suicide rates is caused by the fact that men ACT on it more than women. This is well studied and understood by even first year university students in social studies. The only way to stop it from occurring is before men and women ACT on it. Address the cause depression, and it will improve outcomes.
Programs like, "Black dog institute", "Are you OK", "Mens shed Associations", or best yet, clinical help, Break the stigma of men reaching out for help.
social studies isn't a fucking college level course, you talking about sociology?
how do you even measure "acting on it" more often? I've read several things that said that women attempt suicide more often than men, but men more often "succeed"... Largely because of the means they choose
guns don't cause suicide depression does is the same shitty argument that assholes like you have with guns don't kill people, people kill people
Guns are integral to quick, thoughtless suicide, and if you actually look at the statistics vs the policy or do any actual reading it'll tell you the same despite the gun industry trying to prevent research in the area to increase gun sales.
Yes depression is a problem that ought to be dealt with, but it helps nobody to provide lonely, depressed old men with ubiquitous access and fetishization of instant death.
And lastly, go fuck yourself and your whole tone.🖕
Depending on where you live it is college or ts university, first year
Death, well established and not studied enough
Its sad how obsessed you are with guns, really sad
Fact America is not in the top 20 countries for suicide. I would like to think because its quality of life, but like all things its more nuanced.
Guns don't cause suicide, depression (the big killer) results in suicide and its causes are many. Access to suicidal means may help with a little bit of time sometimes; best case scenario. However if the cause is never addressed the end result will always be the same so just conflating the issue and the cycle continues on.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time
Australia got rid of guns in 1996.
The only person fetishizing guns and suicide is you! Stop wedging the desperate to your disingenuous cause,.
You got me, I'm actually a desperate, anti gun lobbyist...a position that pays equally well to a George Soros professional protestor. /s (because you're an idiot)
Edit: fucking article itself says most involve guns and people are like 🙉🙈
Fr in amarica wel fix everything but the thing creating the problem. Baning guns ain't gonna make people less depressed, less isolated, less valiant and the only people that feel safer are people who didn't have issues to begin with.