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Gulag for all trots immediately
this post was submitted on 17 Nov 2023
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I find it generally reasonable.
No trying to condemn oppressed's reaction, but isn't it true that a split between Palestinians happened between national authority and hamas, seeded by us/israel?
To the best of my knowledge, Hamas isn't a progressive socialist unit, it's a fundamentalist religious group with a social support network.
While I can generally agree on the concept of "all hands against imperialism", why is it a problem to agree between ourselves that there's a problem with the political structure of hamas?
Please enlighten me.
Because it is a national liberation struggle, getting caught arguing about semantics is precisely what the settler genocides want.
Point taken.
I agree with "it's a liberation struggle, hamas is fair game" as a blanket public position from everyone that understands what's in play.
And the og post is from a public forum.
But maybe in lemmygrad we don't need the same blanket public position "between ourselves"?
Maybe the criticism is to not share those positions in public spaces, to not give any ammo to the genocidal settlers?
I see lemmygrad is technically a public space, but it's much smaller than xitter. And the audience generally understands what's in play.
Or is it the approach to dismiss the idea of discussing hamas completely, and keep focusing on the settlers atrocities, with a general "there's no need to talk hamas. It's a liberation struggle", including within lemmygrad?
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. But I'd probably disagree with the approach to how criticism was made in the op.
I think that is the problem with social media in general. Many times people like to make hay out of taking things out of context. Also I think people don't understand that the further away from something that you are, the less of an impact one can have on more particular things like culture. If one is a Palistinian in Gaza that is fighting for womens/lgbt rights we have no beef with them in particular, but that person most likely also fighting for liberation as a primary contradictions. What womens /lgbt rights can there be when they can be slaughtered for no reason by the IDF?
An outsider also can't really impose social norms nor should they expect to. womens and lgbt rights must be fought for domestically within their cultural context to have a full grassroots impact.
The particulars of Hamas's social policy don't matter much when their people are being genocided. Once the Palestinians are no longer experiencing an existential threat to themselves daily, can one expect to build a socialist party with progressive social policy. Also, in the bigger picture, if Israel falls, the western powers have lost the ability to control affairs in that part of the world as much as they do now.
Point taken! I wrote a longer reply to another comrade, if you want to read it. :)
Even from the theoretical point of view, this stance in OP isn't even really trotskyist, trots with all their faults are usually decently read in Marx and Engels and often Lenin, and this take blatantly goes contrary to all three of them who were pretty clear on the class roles in national liberation.
Bourgeoisie? They even supported nobility and monarchs in this.