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What irks me the most is the spinelessness of a lot of mods. Shadow banning and banning without an explanation just striffling free speech without acountability. Freedom of expression should not be subject to the whims of individuals!

If this gets me banned than you are worse than spez

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[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

It's a non-solution. Self hosting doesn't stop other instances from banning you.

[-] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

Freedom of speech means that you won't be jailed by the government for speaking your mind even when your position is not popular.

Freedom of speech does not mean that everyone gets to speak and be heard on any subject they desire to whoever they want. It also does not mean that everyone, or anyone, wants to hear it. Individuals are free to censor you as much as they want.

Interaction is a community effort with a social contract that everyone tries to behave within the bounds of the community rules. If you break those rules, even if for a good reason, it is not unreasonable for the community to object.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago

Your reply sounds like you disagree with me about something but I have no idea what.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You pointed out that self hosting doesn't prevent bans, and they were essentially saying that anyone concerned with dodging bans reeks of entitlement when they demand to be heard on platforms where they aren't wanted.

[-] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

No. I just felt like you did not understand how free speech and censorship worked.

Creating an instance so you have a platform to speak from is always an option, but other instances having the ability to block that instance is not a sign of it being broken. It means the system works as intended.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

I haven't said a word about free speech.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

So? If people refuse to amplify your message that’s not a “freedom of speech” issue.

Sometimes I think these free speech morons will cry censorship over anything less than guaranteed bandwidth straight into our brains.

They want to show up, use a community someone else has built to carry their message, and if they can’t, it’s “freedom of speech!”

Let’s just put that shit away for good. Non-solution? It’s a non-problem, akshully.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago

I haven't said a word about free speech. Chill man, lol.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

OP has. Topic is on the table. I’m not specifically saying you. When you said “non-solution,” what is the problem you were referencing?

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

what is the problem you were referencing?

I think OP is basically asking how he can be sure that he will not get silenced unjustly or atleast what they consider unjust. Another user suggested making their own instance, to which I pointed out that it's not going to solve OP's problem as he can still get banned and have messages removed.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Ah. Well, I still think that’s about as close as OP is going to get. There’s a difference between “being silenced” and another instance defederating from you.

This reminds me of a time my mother came home from the voting place, deflated because one of the election measures had not gone her way. She said she was disappointed in democracy, because she had done her part and voted and it STILL didn’t go her way.

I didn’t think that was a reasonable complaint. Getting your way, guaranteed, is not a reasonable expectation for anyone, pretty much anywhere. By the same token, I don’t think OP has an actual “problem” here so there isn’t going to be a solution.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It's a solution for the rest of us.

Why should we be forced to repeatedly deal with someone who makes Lemmy worse?

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

You shouldn't. Everyone should be free to block users, communities and instances as they wish.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I'm happy to have a moderator do it so I don't have to encounter all the unpleasantness and block folks myself.

Modlogs are public so I can see if they're being unfair.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 5 points 11 months ago

So in your mind, other places must give you a platform. What a nonsense.

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