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Why are you surprised that there's huge overlap between FOSS and Leftist beliefs? They go hand in hand.
They in fact do not. One can be conservative and support FOSS. Saying that is a over generalization
Leftism is about collective ownership of the means of production, whereas Capitalism is concerned with individual ownership.
Supporting FOSS over Capitalism is a leftist take.
I don't think you understand what FOSS is. Its not a political ideology. Honestly neither is communism as it is a fringe belief.
FOSS isn't a political ideology itself, no. That's like saying Mutual Aid or Worker Democracy aren't political ideologies. Technically correct, but that wasn't the point, all of those are leftist structures.
Communism is a political ideology, and I don't think it can be globally considered fringe. Perhaps in the US, but not globally.
Well anyways I don't think it should be allowed in this community. This isn't a communist community.
Everything is political, where do you draw the line? Where it doesn't align with your views?
tell me you're a conservative without saying it lmao
Honestly we should just refrain from making political commentary. We all now that extreme conservatives are just as bad.
WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN THAT EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL?
The libre software movement has the stated goal of making a political statement. Your decision to exclude discussion of a certain ideology in a certain forum is itself a political decision. It is turtles all the way down.
Call it what you wish but I will never associate libre software with communism
So USA is not capitalism? Because it is country with most anti-individual and anti-ownership practices.
It's one of the most Capitalist countries on the planet, and is filled with individual Capital Owners that employ Proletarians.
Then explain patent trolls and general "you will own nothing and pay for it".
Capitalism.
Yeah but communists are a whole other level. They consider liberals to be nazis lol
That's not really true, in my experience. They see Nazis as Nazis, and Liberals as misguided and naive.
As is the case with most groups, there are loud douchebags with extremist views (relative to the group) that give a bad impression.
Right, whereas we see them as deeply stupid and naive.
Even though all real world implementations of communism have failed miserably, liberals must be the naive ones.
Do you consider drastically improving upon previous conditions to be a miserable failure? Ignoring that Communism has never existed, and only specific forms of Marxism-Leninism have existed, and ignoring that MLism is only a fraction of all of Communist ideology, even MLism drastically improved upon previous conditions.
I'm not even close to a tankie, but I'm genuinely curious what you mean by what you've said.
Sure, and capitalism has never existed either, only specific forms of libertarian-constitutionalism π€·ββοΈ
Now, if you can see how silly what I just typed is, you should be able to see how silly it is to claim communism has never been tried. You say yourself that Marxist-Leninism is a communist ideology, so if it's being attempted, then it's valid to say a form of communism is being attempted.
All of the citation needed. Don't make the mistake of including the goals of outcome as part of the definition, that's just cheating. Op obviously rejects the idea that it makes things better, you can't just assume it a priori.
Socialism has existed, that's what the USSR was. It was an ML Socialist state, but it failed to become a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. In other words, it failed to reach Communism. Communism has been attempted, but never reached. It never reached the Communist stage, so Communism itself hasn't been tried, only the ML form of Socialism.
The Soviet Union doubled life expectancy from the mid 30s to the mid 70s, had constant GDP growth until it liberalized and collapsed, guaranteed free Healthcare and education, and had mass housing initiatives. It had far lower wealth inequality than before or after its existence. This is all freely available information.
Am I a USSR Stan? Fuck no, the Politburo was a corrupt mess and Stalin was a thug. However, you've completely misconstrued my argument.