1303
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Re Ford pardoning Nixon,

I think https://youtu.be/6uUzrvJtZps from Bob Woodward gives an interesting view, but I think Ford himself sums it up similarly when he said,

"My conscience tells me clearly and certainly that I cannot prolong the bad dreams that continue to reopen a chapter that is closed. My conscience tells me that only I, as President, have the constitutional power to firmly shut and seal this book"

https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/library/speeches/740060.asp

Ford believed pardoning Nixon was the best way for the country to move forward. I disagree with that decision, however I think it's the Presidents job to make that decision. It likely cost Ford the next election.

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Everything you've said is evidence that Ford shouldn't have had the power to pardon Nixon.

You have read the speech, and listened to Woodward, and know all of the ramifications, and you still say you disagree with his decision. This is the reason why we have processes, such as courts. There is absolutely no need for unilateral executive power in this situation.

And importantly, you didn't answer my only question... How does this power benefit the American public?

Ford's excuses were that he wanted to move forward. Why don't we just move forward with murderers, as well? I'll answer that. It's because usually, we like to feel justice so that we can move forward. Nixon never truly faced justice.

Ford said that the economy would suffer. That was just his guess. We've had almost the same thing today with Trump, and the economy isn't suffering. So, that means that Ford was probably just wrong about that excuse.

Ford said that he wanted to have his own Presidency, instead of being overshadowed by Nixon. That was never going to happen, no matter what he did. He became President without any general vote, voting him into either Presidency or Vice Presidency. He was President only because that was what Nixon wanted. But even if that hadn't been the case, Presidents are judged by how they respond to problems. Waving your hand and pretending the problems away doesn't help the American public.

These were all Ford's excuses for why he did it. But they were bad excuses. There's simply no benefit to America to allow Presidents to do this. I consider this matter closed. As you didn't actually answer my question, I don't see any point in continuing. Your last comment was your chance to answer my question, but instead you gave Ford's answers, and said that you disagreed with them. I believe that was a silly choice. But what's done is done.

[-] MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Case closed? You certainly are under no obligation to respond but I am free to continue the conversation.

The benefit to the American people is that we have a complex process with regard to legal matters. We have decided that part of that process includes pardon powers. Each branch of the government has their powers.

The legislative branch creates a law. The executive blocks it. The legislative overrides the executive. The judicial declares it unconstitutional. The legislative amends the constitution. The judicial applies the law. The executive pardons. The legislative impeaches.

Each of these require political capital. If the American people support you, change happens. If they don't, you get booted.

I'm aware it's not all that simple.

The executive branch has taken on more power recently (20+ years), largely due to the legislative branch refusing to act. The judicial branch has had to make ultimately correct but legally challenging decisions, again due to the legislative braches refusal to act.

A President is tasked by the American people to perform certain duties as commander in chief. To act in the American people's benefit. Certain powers, like pardon, are also granted.

States like Georgia don't provide their executive branch the same privilege. Should a similar process be put in place at the federal level? Possibly. Georgians put it in place. Georgians thought so. The American people? It's worth a discussion.

this post was submitted on 28 Nov 2023
1303 points (98.2% liked)

politics

18898 readers
5434 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
  2. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  3. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  4. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
  5. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  6. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS