That's not necessary, obviously Americans would never elect a criminal for President.
This was probably the general thinking before everything went batshit crazy among Republicans.
This was probably the general thinking before ~~everything went batshit crazy among~~ Republicans realized they could appeal to their voters by going mask-off.
That's true to some degree, but they were not all always crazy.
Although I disagree with for instance McCain (deceased) and Mitt Romney may wear magic underwear, so he obviously is a bit crazy, they were not completely insane. Like ~~numerous~~ all of the MAGA crowd.
One of the major reasons for the electoral college is because many of the founding fathers thought the people were too stupid to not elect a populist (like Trump) and that Congress should choose the president, but the other side thought it gave Congress too much power. So they compromised with the electoral system.
It's been well known since day 1 that the people could do a very bad job choosing the president. The problem is that the EC has been so watered down at this point that the only purpose it currently serves is to create a situation where we're under the tyranny of the minority. And, ironically, it gave us trump and might do so again.
only purpose it currently serves is to create a situation where we’re under the tyranny of the minority.
Although optimistically a lot of the way the government was designed is to prevent exactly the type of person that Trump is becoming president, tyranny of the minority is part of the system. EC and the senate are definitely designed in a way to prevent the unwashed masses from gaining too much power, and keep in mind when the framers were designing this we're talking only about white land-owning men. Our government's design is progressive for its time compared to a literal monarchy, but it's still clearly designed with a caste system in mind.
Criminals shouldn't be barred from running though. In fact, there's precedent for people running for President from prison, and it should be allowed in order to make sure that the state doesn't imprison people from jailing political opponents.
In a piece in Vanity Fair, Lewinsky offered her vision for a more robust democracy via six new amendments: no presidential self-pardons, mandatory background checks for presidents, no suspensions of the U.S. Constitution, a retirement age for elected officials, elimination of the Electoral College and codification of a woman’s right to an abortion.
There's not a single thing wrong with anything she's saying, except that she doesn't go far enough. Well, also that part about suspension of the constitution I wonder what it means. If you suspend the constitution, then you'd presumably also not care about an amendment that says you cannot do so.
But anyways, for pardons, I would say that there should be a ban on any pardon where the President has a conflict of interests. For example, when Trump pardoned Stone. The President specifically shouldn't be able to pardon anybody who he knows personally or who helped him personally.
There should be background checks for US presidents yes, but also for all congresspersons and Supreme Court Justices. All of their finances should be public information as a matter of course.
Suspension of the constitution meaning the president can't say Habeus Corpus doesn't apply during a state of crisis or some other similar example.
Lincoln did it, so did Wilson, Bush was too stupid to do it so Cheney got the Patriot act passed to do it for him.
The thing is that, largely, government works because people all just kind of agree that it should. If a president says "I'm suspending the Constitution to deal with an emergency", what happens next? We have a bunch of masked fascists, at high levels in government and in Washington think tanks, who would talk a lot about the unitary executive theory. It would be presented as a done deal, as if there was no question that it was legal. Who would step in to stop it? In the best case scenario, we would have a major constitutional crisis, that would eventually get worked out between the courts, the press, the public, and hopefully some courageous civil servants. In the worst case, it would straight up end our democracy. Somewhere in between lies civil war, and whatever that leads to. If suspension is explicitly forbidden, it gets a lot harder to defend, and makes the best case scenario a lot more likely.
I'm less sure about the value of background checks for presidents. I'm not sure some routine background check would unearth anything that the other side's oppo-research wouldn't. But hey, can't hurt. I'm guessing the intelligence agencies are already digging up everything they can find; making that an official requirement and publicly reported before the election might be really beneficial, not only directly, but also to prevent rogue officials from keeping the dirt to themselves and using it against a sitting president.
These are better ideas than I hear coming from anyone actually in government.
This is great, I heard Republicans really respect Monica and feel she was treated unjustly.
Fuck the Republicans and their perjury trap and all, but after 25 years can we finally admit that the President getting a blowjob from an 21yo intern is a bad thing?
A manager at any other company or government position would be fired for it because consent is a tricky thing when there's a power imbalance.
Why are we pretending it's all okay with the most powerful person on the planet and a young woman whose entire career and aspirations can be completely made or destroyed my him in an email?
I don't think anybody thought it was okay. You do understand that there is this thing where both sides are wrong? That was clear from day one.
Yes, Clinton should have been fired. What about Reagan though? Thanks to his cabinet for which he was responsible, thousands of innocents died. What about Nixon? He barely got what he deserved. What about bush, starting a war over lies (false pretenses is way understating it) that cost the lives of thousands upon thousands on all sides... The fucker should have been in jail.
I think there were way worse things going on on presidencies than a blowjob with an iffy power balance and concensus
Now that's a name I haven't heard in awhile. She probably doesn't have much of any social capital left, but if she wants to spend her last bit on this, I get it.
A lot of people admire her for not hiding what happened at all and being unapologetic about it because it wasn't her fault. She was a young intern and he took advantage of her. Only the asshole Republicans still victim-blame her. Meanwhile, she has shown to be an extremely thoughtful woman who has a lot of very good political points to make and they wouldn't let her make them in Vanity Fair if she didn't have any political capital left.
The only issue I see here is that she's basically preaching to the choir.
She's a woman who pissed of Hillary Clinton by airing dirty laundry...
She threw her entire political future away, because Hillary is incredibly spiteful and for some reason has always held a lot of sway with the DNC.
The only issue I see here is that she’s basically preaching to the choir.
Voters agree, but for some reason politicians never mentioned it when Dems could have done anything about it...
That's worth a conversation
Hillary has done a lot for the modern Democratic Party.
You know she was one of the first advocates for universal healthcare, right?
The hate for Hillary is the result of a propaganda campaign launched when she was First Lady of Arkansas.
You know she was one of the first advocates for universal healthcare, right?
I've never even heard that, which is surprising considering she's ran for president multiple times... Can you provide a link so I can look into that?
The hate for Hillary is the result of a propaganda campaign launched when she was First Lady of Arkansas
Claiming anyone that doesn't like her fell for propaganda doesn't make sense... Pick the best person in the world, someone has a valid reason not to like them.
Clinton has zero charisma and has strong political views that progressives, moderates, and conservatives all hate.
I mean hell, if what you just said about universal healthcare is true, that's enough for lots of Dems and almost all Republicans to not like her...
Unfortunately lots of Dem voters keep electing Dems that don't want to fight for that.
Hillary is abrasive. As you say, zero political charisma. But she is also married to Bill, and he is as smooth a politician as has ever existed. He bleeds charisma. He plays the sexy sax, for goodness sake! The contrast does her no favors. Bill's cheating hurt her politically, as does the fact that they are rarely seen together. It appears that their marriage is loveless and entirely political, which adds to her image as an angry shrew.
And before anyone accuses me of a double-standard, the same would be true for a man. Americans would not elect for President an angry shrew of a man who was publicly cuckolded by his sexy, confident, charismatic wife, either. Obviously, that isn't right or fair, but there you have it. Politics has a certain high school popularity contest flavour to it.
I don't think either party is willing to give up the self-pardon power even if it is discussed. That said, it is not clear that a president actually has that power.
This article presents both arguments- https://www.thoughtco.com/can-a-president-pardon-himself-4147403
That said, it is not clear that a president actually has that power.
If there's one thing voters want out of the Dem party after trump...
It's for them to codify shit instead of relying on the honor and good faith of the Republican party.
But like you said, the Dem party doesn't want to give that up, because some day they might use it. They're more worried about protecting themselves as individuals than protecting the country.
Which is one of the many reasons 1/3 of the country regularly doesn't vote.
She handled a bad situation with grace and dignity. Also, it bears repeating that the same people who want to ban books are the ones who are most willing to make sure that blowjobs are mentioned in history books.
I think she has more social capital now than ever before. She’s a well-respected activist working on important issues. Her willingness to speak openly and honestly about her experience, as well as her willingness to joke about it, and frankly to be in the public spotlight at all after what the media did to her, is downright inspiring.
I recommend checking out some interviews she’s done over the last few years. She has a uniquely relatable way of discussing huge societal issues. I’m genuinely impressed any time I hear her talk.
You're kidding right? Pardons in themselves are crazy, but didn't know presidents can pardon themselves?
Turns out most of the US government relied on norms, traditions, and basic human decency, but very little of it was actually codified into law. Which in this day and age is like having no rules at all since no one has any shame anymore
Weve never had to worry about it before, there's no precedent
Which is the problem she's trying to address. It's become very obvious that precedent is no longer good enough when you have unethical, immoral, shady people in charge.
This is going to be the subtitle for whoever writes the book about Trump in a few years.
The rules around pardons are incredibly vague. Presidents have typically treated them vary seriously and used them sparingly. Then Trump saw it as an opportunity to make some cash and do favors for his cronies who committed crimes to help him.
The legal consensus is that they can't, but it's never been tested --nor did anyone ever seriously conceive of it as a possibility-- so it's theoretically possible as a matter of law.
Yes, and family or close ties.
I mean, she's not wrong, but she knows you start by getting 290 votes in the House, right? The same group of people who couldn't get 218 to decide who their own leader was?
This might have been a good time to hit them with some reverse-psychology. Team up with Hillary to lobby FOR self-pardons and watch the GOP house have a stroke.
I don't know why stuff like that isn't tried more often, in more artful ways obviously.
Realistically because they could care less about opposing the dems if it keeps their power. If they actually tried some reverse psychology shit like that the GOP would happily let it pass and show how they are more bipartisan than those 'filthy' liberals. They aren't all complete idiots, they are fascists trying to dismantle our democracy.
Just say you don't want Biden to pardon himself for his crimes and let the GOP go wild and vote it in.
There is a 0% chance red states support any positive amendment to the Constitution, so any amendments are immediately dead in the water.
That's actually not the only route to getting a constitutional amendment. If 2/3 of the state legislatures in the country call a constitutional convention they can amend the Constitution independently of the Congress.
Though the likelihood of that is also very slim.
That is one of the few famous people whose opinion on this matters
Self-pardons? What!?
Essentially Trump pardoning himself for all his thousands of crimes.
It's an American thing, kind of like having the power of a ruling king, because President is stronk. Americans love that kind of stupid symbolism.
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