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[-] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 42 points 11 months ago

It's important to be clear about "they" here. Most of the Democrats in Congress and President Biden tried to pass money for education and health care, but they were blocked by all the Republicans and a couple Democrats. If John Fetterman had been elected in 2020 instead of 2022, there's a decent chance we could've gotten it. Not a sure thing, but decent.

On the other hand, almost everyone in Congress supports military spending because it almost always benefits their constituents directly because military contractors have shrewdly built production facilities in nearly every state.

If we can give Biden another term (moderately difficult against Trump, hard against anyone else), expand the Democratic lead in the Senate (difficult), and flip the house (probably easy), we can probably get some education and health care spending. Maybe even a minimum wage increase and a permanent expansion of the child tax credit. Maybe a small UBI. Lots of things!!

(And yes the lavish spending on the military will certainly continue.)

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Even with a majority in both chambers Biden and Democrats will not pass any of that.

If you look at elections you will see the Democrats like having only a slim margin in control and they always have someone who will fall on the sword and vote against things if it looks like something progressive will pass.

Hell they put money into Republicans to beat progressive Democratic candidates.

Only way you going get any of that is when we get rid of the two party system. Like with rank style voting.

[-] Deiv@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago

100%

Real change requires real change

[-] explodicle@local106.com 9 points 11 months ago

This is why I vote single issue for voting reform. If a Democrat supports IRV, I'll vote Democrat. If not, I vote third party.

"But Explodicle, you're effectively just voting for Republicans! This is the most important election ever, past and future."

No. I'm not voting Republican either. People who do vote Republican have not voted twice. We've been voting lesser evil for decades and it does not work. "Buying time" for nothing to change does not work. Giving Democrats the house, senate, and presidency does not work. They refuse to even try to expand the Supreme Court. We're being played.

The Democrats need to go and we need an actual leftist major party. Each candidate can either get on board with that, or wait for revolution to become our only choice.

[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I agree lets start a third progressive party and start taking over towns and city elections. Hell we can probably get Congress if we try hard enough.

Democrats have no support in red states like here In Oklahoma. They can't win but a good third party could.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They only had a majority on paper thanks to Manchin and Sinema. But sure, let's blame them for falling to squeeze blood from a stone.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 11 months ago

"Only democrats have agency" is an interesting trope.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

Unless you're trying to say Republicans aren't evil robots who automatically oppose everything Democrats do, but that makes no sense.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 5 points 11 months ago

I think it's sometimes called Murc's law.

Part of it is blaming Democrats for things, but when Republicans are huge assholes accepting it as like just a force of nature.

So like, democrats fail to pass a law to such and such. That framing ignores that Republicans took action to foil it.

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/03/andrew-gelman-on-murcs-law talks about it a little. Or https://whereofonecanspeak.com/2023/03/02/youve-probably-never-heard-of-murcs-law-but-youve-seen-it-in-action-lots-of-times/

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

Ah, I see. I thought you were disagreeing with me.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

when the issue is assuming the radicalization of the Democratic Party's platform? ya, or would you argue that republicans should be working to help democrats pass their legislation

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