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this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2023
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What this shows us is that more people are joining lemmy, but even more people are either leaving or going into lurker mode, as Lemmy only counts people who have commented or posted in that time period as active users, whereas most social media counts any activity while logged in as active. You have to realize that people who use reddit as Google search results don't usually interact with the content there and most won't even make an account.
On the upside, with fewer people, it's easy to get noticed here just by contributing good content since you don't really get drowned out here because of the democratic upvote based sorting instead of black box personalized recommendation algorithms. So with relatively low amount of effort, you can make sure your content is being seen instead of relying on analytics and metrics.
The last thing to in mind that Lemmy is only one aspect of ActivityPub, and Mastodon's growth is currently the highest right now because of the ecosystem created by the whale fall of Twitter, which indirectly grows Lemmy as Mastodon users can post directly to federated Lemmy communities.
I just got recommended this site after posting on reddit re: predatory algos and the necessary regulations needed to protect people and how algos have manipulated the UX so much its disrupted the originally intended purposes; ie insta has effectively become a marketing and advertising platform.
So in response someone suggested finding alternatives to the popular social media sites and used Lemmy as an example.
I have been loving it thus far - its old school reddit.
this is my first comment on lemmy!
Welcome! So far, in my experience, this is a much friendlier community that... many of the alternatives.
Usually. There's definitely some who want to take their pound of flesh out of you when you disagree with them on something, but overall not so bad.
I disagree strongly with that opinion but respect you as a lemming
Fair enough. My perspective in the last day or two tells me otherwise, but I'm glad you're having a great experience.
There're always going to be hotheads and bad faith actors in any platform, but I have noticed it is much more rare here on Lemmy. Much less vitriol as well.
Agreed on it being old school reddit! There are some UI wrappers that make it look and feel like old school reddit that I use and love you might enjoy. The wrapper is called mlmym and is open source. There are a few hosts you can use, I use this one: https://o.opnxng.com
A direct link for your lemmy instance would be https://o.opnxng.com/lemmy.world
https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym/tree/main
OMG thank you so much! holy amazing.
Check out https:old.lemmy.world for an old reddit lime experience.
https://old.lemmy.world is like old reddit.
Fuck you! Hello.
Do votes count as activity as well? Or just posts and comments?
It really should.
Strong agree
I can see the arguments for both, to be honest. Ideally I'd like to be able to see statistics for both. Active Users and Active Contributors?
You can already see how many posts and comments users make. Isn’t that the same?
Well, as mentioned that is also covered by the Monthly Active Users metric that already is available. But in addition to that, I think it would be interesting to see the number of users who read and vote but don't post or comment. Even though posting and commenting is the biggest part, actively voting is still an important part of the ecosystem.
True, could be nice to see data on content consumers, and not just the content creators.
I changed the algorithms in programming.dev to take into account voters in the activity. Since stats are all calculated locally you can view any community from programming.dev to get the monthly active users including that change
e.g. https://programming.dev/c/technology@lemmy.world shows 27.8k users/month on p.d which is almost as much as the value here for all of lemmy excluding voters
That's crazy! User/month goes from only 7.5k active to 27.8k. And that's just people voting. What about people who only read a post?
Dont have access to those stats in the database so adding on voting is the best I can do
Theres a post read table but its only people who have explicitly marked something as read and is way less than the post likes
Do posts get marked as read when you read the comments? There's the x new comments feature, so something must be storing that timestamp.
I dug through the code and turns out the post read table does store when its read (with number of comments when it was read stored in a person post aggregates table), it just only stores it for people from your instance so I cant get accurate numbers from all of lemmy (and why it seemed like there was a low amount)
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !technology@lemmy.world
!vintageLA@lemmy.world
*edit: so, that seems to not have worked in the Boost app. Is it a link for anyone else?
vintagela@lemmy.world
That doesn't seem to make a hyperlink either.
/c/vintagela@lemmy.world
All three of those work in Thunder!
Thanks! I guess it's just a bug in Boost.
Agreed. Lurkers are what keep these sites alive.
Votes unfortunately don't count
There seemed to be an influx of reddit users but probably didn't like Lemmy's own distinct user base (*nix users for example)
I am kind of glad it settled down because I much prefer Lemmy over reddit
What did you call me???
That you are a magnificent bastard!!
We can be if it makes your experience better!! Watch!
Dizzirron I bet you don't even use Linux!
*dissent
😉
That's esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Diane Diane what now??
Damn, I’d better keep commenting, I usually just lurk/vote
Someone posted metrics for how many users vote. 131k.
halfyear includes people trying out different instances; monthly shows just the one(s) they settled on