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Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
(www.nytimes.com)
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The very day Hamas attack happened I suspected that there's no way Israel's intelligence orgs, some of the best in the world, did not know about the plan for the attack way before it happened. This whole affair stinks to the high heavens.
Even if it wasn't intentional
he directly stated in a speech that he approved funding transfer to Hamas to help them grow in power to keep the people divided
they moved soldiers away from the border to the west bank to help with settlements
as this article suggests, they had a lot of warnings
Those 3 points alone should be enough to send him and his party away, and until that happens (and until Hamas is also removed from power), that region won't see peace.
We need to let the legal system do its job, and for both Likud & Hamas to be removed from power through LEGAL MEANS by the people they say they represent.
About your Hamas part, Hamas has historically participated in ceasefire agreements in good faith. It's Israel who doesn't (hell they didn't completely follow the current agreement). Why I'm saying this is that the "and Hamas is also removed from power" part is basically Israeli propaganda, because it makes it seem like even if Israel tries to make peace with Palestinians it won't happen until Hamas is removed (likely by force), which makes things like this current war easier to swallow.
You must be new to the planet if you believe Hamas will ever settle for a two state solution
Y'all seem to forget that Hamas is the weaker side here. If Gazans get something they can accept Hamas won't be able to refuse. Also historically they've been cooperative with Israeli peace efforts.
I'm sorry we're not allowed to have actual facts here. Only rhetoric. Israel is completely justified in it's genocide because there's a single Palestinian with a fantasy of doing it to Jews.
Sorry, I will highlight the important bit
Removed from power through legal means, by the people they state they represent. Removing either group with violence will beget more violence. A new entity with the same ideology will fill the gap.
Hamas as an organization has its own problems, and they share a lot of the same issues as Likud. They both hold on to power through violence and fear.
Oh yeah Hamas definitely has a lot of problems, and while I don't know a lot about Gaza's internal affairs they're probably not the people who should be ruling Gaza after the conflict ends. That said, one of the things they do right is following ceasefire agreements until it's obvious Israel has no intention of doing the same (2008 and 2012 come to mind).
Not in the last years that come in my mind, It was Islamic Jihad in 2022 but they couldn't do without Hamas allowing them to. Every single time it was games who started escalation, even if they've claimed that it was "defending of Al Aqsa" or something similar
Yes, Israel have, they haven't attacked and released prisoners they should've and allowed trucks with humanitarian aid, while Hamas carried a terror attack in Jerusalem (yesterday)
Edit: Citation needed. ~~Israel continued bombing, albeit with a reduced frequency, throughout the period of the current pause. That's not following anything.~~
Also I can't find that thing about 2022.
Israel haven't continued bombing in the time of the current ceasefire, can you please give the source of the claim?
Okay I checked now and I actually can't find it. I guess I'll have to take that back until I can find a source.
That's not what the word "good faith" means.
I’m not expressing any opinion one way or the other on this instance, but I think we might want to keep in mind that with hindsight, predictive signals can always be pointed to. It says Israeli authorities don’t consider the plan plausible. How many plans do they discard as implausible? Is this something they do 5 times a day, where they were 100% correct until this day, when they were only 4/5 correct? I think it would take a lot of knowledge about intelligence work and these particular reports to really decide if a mistake was made or worse, there’s complicity.
I’m not excusing Israel or making claims one way or the other. But I recall this with 9/11 and other episodes too: with hindsight we can always find signals that were there but didn’t get the attention they needed. This doesn’t always signal wilfull negligence.