353
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
(www.nytimes.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 01 Dec 2023
353 points (93.4% liked)
World News
39041 readers
2413 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Everyone in this thread is reminding me of all the "bush did 9/11!" Crazies
It's a pretty well recorded technique of US intelligence to push a much more extreme and clearly false narrative to undermine the distribution of the less extreme version which is more plausible and problematic.
So we see nutty theories around thermite online leading people to associate any complicity in 9/11 with unhinged theorists, conveniently overshadowing the far less extreme scenario where actionable intelligence around an attack was shelved because of the opportunities such an attack would create on the international stage.
My favorite example of the technique in action was how in the 1950s, the same year UFO sightings made the front page of Washington DC local newspapers, one of the CIA's psyops recruits who had graduated MIT in only 3 years suddenly leaves the agency to buy up a struggling national news brand called The National Enquirer. Not long after, no self-respecting news organization was running stories about UFO sightings on any page, let alone the front page.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cheney had meddled with intelligence that resulted in a major oversight - who even knows what was in all the documents he burned when leaving office. And we know for a fact they had no qualms with messing with intelligence reporting soon after with WMDs in Iraq or outing the wife of a critic.
Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Netanyahu had a hand in actively preventing proper action being taken on the warnings of an attack leading up to it. Less than 2 weeks before the attacks he was facing supreme court judicial review of his latest grasp to maintain power which was a process going until Jan 2024. And right in the middle of that he's now ended up in a war.
Orchestrating an attack is a huge (and unlikely) conspiracy. Conveniently fucking up is plausibly deniable, especially if you seed a few more extreme and unhinged associated theories to discredit anyone suggesting you intentionally screwed up.
The history of USA is full of cases were government did many fucked up shit without telling people for it to be true. They experiment with drugs, funded Taliban, and the things that Kisenger did without telling anyone.
They refused to release many information claiming National security for many things, although we damn know they can release everything and nothing would happen.
Yet, when people question 9/11 and Building 7 because it doesn't make sense, it is "conspiracy craze"
Directly or not, the US government imperial and religious motivated involvement in other countries internal affairs will keep causing tragedies and some people who are easily radicalized become a prime target for anyone to push them to cause a major incident to help shape new laws or launch new wars.
Remember that video of Israeli citizens who were spot filming the 9/11 ?
https://web.archive.org/web/20200320093153/https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
In addition, Netanyahu was the Israeli PM, lobbying for Iraqi war.
I was reading about the Saudi King Faisal who stopped exporting oil to the US as his connection to kisenger was not known to me. I found out, his nephew who murdered him, was studying in the US and had been arrested in campus with mushrooms. This is during the MKUltra program that extends to Canadian Universities as well. Was this nephew targted to help murder the Saudi King later? We don't know, but we know the US has history that this can be possible.
TLDR; suspicious countries should not complain when people question information and they shouldn't labels everything as conspiracy to dismiss information.
Yeah but IDF soldiers themselves have reported that the information they provided was completely ignored by Israel a month or so before the attack. There is public documents showing Bibi funded Hamas.
I think this one was gross negligence on purpose to find a reason to genocide Gaza.
Two cases of leaders selectively choosing not to believe credible intelligence of a threat to innocent lives when it's politically convenient to do so?
Which parts of it?
I don't think Netanyahu orchestrated it if that matters. Same idea as Bush
We should investigate when leadership benefits from a tragedy. We should investigate the decisions that allowed a tragedy to take place. That's how we prevent future tragedies
Bush really does bear a lot of responsibility for 9/11. In almost direct parallel. He shifted the FBI away from counter terror and then ignored intelligence warning of the attack. Rather than Netanyahu ignoring intelligence in order to move troops off the border.