399
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 06 Dec 2023
399 points (98.3% liked)
News
23367 readers
3112 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Look, I'm sorry, but I'm beginning to think this guy's a real jerk.
You know, everyone keeps saying "the worst part is the hypocrisy," but I disagree. I think the worst part was the raping.
(I feel kind of bad making this joke in this thread, but on the other hand... Norm. So...)
Big F to my boy Norm
y'all think he did it? I'm starting to think he did it.
She was underage at the time.
Yeah, I think she was 17.
Is that what you would do?
Seventeen year olds can't consent. They're incapable under the law. So even if she was into it, she literally couldn't say yes. So it's rape.
If that's something you disagree with, then work to get the law changed. But until that, they're rapists and don't blame the victim.
Therapy might help with everything you said.
I think going outside would help you understand better.
This is straight up incorrect. 17 is the age of consent in New York, and many other states are 16. A minority of states have 18 as the age of consent.
I agree it’s fucked up for an adult and a teen to be together, but this is a law we’re talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States
I wasn't talking about the law.
I had sex at 17 with an adult and have 0 regrets. It's pretty normal. I think I would've had more regrets if I refrained from doing it because people like you think that's what I should do, lol.
To put things into perspective and why it's always good to talk specifics, I was 17 and she was 20. I guess she's a shitty person who raped me and should be in prison, lol. We ended up being together for years, it was a great relationship :)
But I guess from your 'logic', if this occurred in a different jurisdiction (or if I had waited 2 months for my 18th birthday,) then she would be off the hook for any and all judgement.
It's funny watching you people always pivot to the law as though every law is just and people are good based on how well they obey laws.
Really? You seem to only care about what the law says. So you admit that it's possible for the law to be incorrect about consent? Is it okay to have sex with 16 year olds if the law says so? At what point do you draw the line between what you find acceptable and what the law finds acceptable? Your entire argument in this entire thread chain has been "it's illegal" when I've said time and time again I'm not referring to the law.
Yeah, me having sex at 17 with a 20 year old was a victimless crime. However, I think you're delusional and patronizing enough to ignore this fact.
I mean, that applies to you. Not me. Why would I avoid having sex at 17 because of what happened to you? Lol.
It seems your letting your own experiences dictate what everyone else should experience. Hopefully with time you will come to realize that's just not the world we live in. Everyone is different, and most people are cool with having sex at 17 even if it's illegal.
Okay. Have a nice day.
Unfortunately there are still states where like 16 and 15 are the ages of consent
I saw your deleted reply; no I don’t think it’s appropriate, see my comment.
First off: there is no federal age of consent law. You weren’t “going off” anything.
What you said is factually untrue. You’d see that with a quick search. That’s all I’m saying.
No, I don’t think it’s appropriate. It is, however fucked up, still legal.
I mean, having sex with people of certain ages is illegal for a reason so it doesn't actually matter if she was "willing" if she was under the age of consent. Also, drugging a person removes their ability to make an informed decision to consent so again, even if she did agree to it, her consent wasn't valid on that point either. In other words, she wasn't capable of consenting so, ya know, rape.
I'm not talking about convicting the perpetrator. Please stop assuming, lol.
Legally speaking, there is no ambiguity.
But in reality, there is. If you can't understand that, it's probably because you don't want to.
Fuck off with that shit.
Thats a bit premature /s