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US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world
(www.theguardian.com)
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Where? I live in washington, I go on reddit/lemmy now for my social media.
The people I interact with that have extreme views are y'all calling 30% of US voters literal nazi's.
Do you truly think we have some 30 million + people that are nazi's, share nazi ideals and nazi culture?
I can't affect how the very small minority of republicans that are alt right, or actually are nazi's, behave. I can try to communicate with the people calling everyone that I interact with that most of us are disgusted by the extreme minority on the far right, too.
People are calling them Nazis because they support fascism.
Ask any republican if they'd rather live in a democratic society that is communist or a fascist one that is capitalist and all of them will say they prefer fascism.
They also support religious nationalism and governing based on emotions rather than logic and reason.
There are many parallels between republicans and Nazis. This is why the overwhelming majority of neo-nazis are conservative.
Every single conservative supports fascism?
That's as wild as saying every single liberal supports communism.
Re-read what I said then try again.
Me: "Do you truly think we have some 30 million + people that are nazi’s, share nazi ideals and nazi culture?"
You: "People are calling them Nazis because they support fascism."
Me: "That’s as wild as saying every single liberal supports communism."
I read it and this is what I saw.
Also, to correct your previous statement where you said "Ask any republican if they’d rather live in a democratic society that is communist or a fascist one that is capitalist and all of them will say they prefer fascism."
No, any republican that's a conservative wouldn't say a fascist one, a fascist government is inherently against conservative political ideologies. Fascism needs authoritarianism, which is opposite of a small government. Communism requires heavy government involvement and nationalization of industries, which is more of what the progressive left is advocating for.
The people you are supporting and voting for have openly called for violence and death to be visited upon myself and my family simply because of who we are andwho we love.
The GOP is a ship, and you are voluntarily on that, working to help that ship, the people steering that ship, setting it's direction, aiming it's guns, they are literally fascists, bigots, and often literal nazis. You work on that ship, do you not see why you are seen as one of them irregardless of weather or not you directly believe such hateful things?
Get off that ship, you can still be a "conservative" but you have to stop supporting those people or you are one of them.
Which person have I supported and voted for has openly called for violence?
I'm not going to go well into the details because it's getting off the point but as a few examples:
"A Republican candidate running for a seat in Oklahoma's state House once said it is 'totally just' to kill gay people in comments that have resurfaced amid his campaign."
"The Trump-endorsed Republican candidate in South Carolina's4th Congressional District called for the arrest and execution of those who advocate for LGBTQ+ rights and the protection of trans children."
former Republican state representative Robert Foster: "I think they need to be lined up against [a] wall before a firing squad to be sent to an early judgment."
There are plenty more out there like this, and an absolute avalanche of them couched in the standard political double speak and dog whistles that we are all used to.
Now I'm sure you PERSONALLY did not vote for any of these people directly, but these are the representatives of the GOP, this is what I mean by you being on the ship with them. You may not be the person steering the ship, or loading the guns, or pulling the trigger, but you are on the ship advocating for violence and murder, passing laws that are leading to death and suffer and pushing to make more of them. You are saying that because you are swabbing the deck and cooking the meals you don't deserve to be lumped in with nazis who are running the ship.
Get off the ship.
I didn't vote for him/her
Nor him/her
I didn't vote for him.
These are the representatives some people in a different state than mine voted for. I am not responsible for their votes, just as you aren't responsible for my city council voting in a self proclaimed communist.
I didn't vote for one of these individuals you are picking out, I don't know any of the individuals, haven't donated to any of the individuals campaigns or spread good words about them.
How am I responsible for who Oklahoma folks vote?
Your thinking is the big problem with the US. You think there are two ships that everyone has to choose between them. There aren't. I'm not on a ship, I vote for candidates that I think reflect my opinions more than the other side. I wish I had more options, better options, but I don't. I just vote for who I think is best for my city/county/state/country given the options I have.
Stop thinking everyone needs to fully belong to one 'ship.'
So you literally ignored what I had to say entirely.
You are voting for that party, you are voting to support these people, you are voting to support these agendas, agendas that are meant to take away rights and hurt or criminalize or murder people. You might as well say "Well I don't agree with Hitler at all, I vote Nazi because of their economic policies"
So I guess the real question is, do you agree with these positions? Do you want gay and trans people to be eliminated from society? Do you want women to be forced to give birth to headless fetuses even if it kills them? Cause if the answer is yes, then you are voting the right party! And they are fucking monsters!
Otherwise I'm starting to think you are just trolling and don't actually have an interest in considering why people keep "lumping you in" with Nazis (I guess voting for them isn't enough).
I read it and showed where you were wrong. You haven't responded to my questions.
I don't vote for parties.
If you'd like me to answer your questions, please answer mine.
If you'd like me to answer your questions, please answer mine.
If you'd like me to answer your questions, please answer mine.
Troll. Mah man just wants to pontificate and thinks it's up to you/all of us to convince him that supporting the Nazi party is bad. This idiot is laughable.
I know man, he just ignores my whole comment and expects me to read and respond to his.
100%. I've seen it a million times with this lot. Patronizing and bad faith arguments designed to appear as though they are genuinely curious and open to opposing viewpoints. It's all complete bullshit. Conservatives need to take a real hard look at what they've become and it's not up to anyone else to convince them. Don't waste your time or energy. And yes, I'm talking to you.
You must be using Republicans and conservatives interchangeably, which is objectively wrong. We're against the far right and huge trumpers. That doesn't mean I'm gonna suddenly change my whole world view to become left wing.
Yeah, I frankly don't care how you want to confound the issue. This discussion began with an article about the religious right and anti-LGBTQ messaging. I don't see liberals or Democrats claiming to be the "religious right." Again, let me reiterate my point that you are acting in bad faith. When you are finally mature enough to open up your mind and your heart and possibly, just possibly adjust your sacred "whole world view" -- only then would I attempt to engage in conversation with you. Until then, I bid you adieu.
By claiming, correctly, that the vast majority of religious conservatives aren't Nazis?
By saying that the majority of us have no power over the far right or extremists in rural counties?
By saying that conflating 100% of us are just as bad as the furthest 20% of us, simply because I voted for a reasonable republican candidate and someone in oklahoma voting for an idiot candidate that happened to have the same letter by his name?
If you want to keep playing this 'us vs them' game that's popular in politics right now, go for it. I vote for the candidate, not by the letter next to their name.
So who's arguing in bad faith? The one saying I can't control voters 2,000 miles away, or you saying that if I don't, I'm a nazi?
Clearly a bot. Trained to not shut the fuck up. You're not a Nazi because I called you one, which I didn't. You're a Nazi because you continue to browbeat people, including me, into accepting your opinion and not listening to my clear statement that I no longer want to engage in conversation with you. That, my friend, is a Nazi.
I took the history of Nazi Germany for my history degree.
I don't think you actually know what a nazi is, and that's why you're calling 50 million americans nazi's
You took a course?! No fucking way! /s
Fuck off you nasty ass Nazi fucker. Bot.
Okay man, I'm actually scared for you. You need to chill out, there aren't 50 million nazi's in the US. Not everyone that disagrees with you is one, or a bot or both.
You seriously need to take a breath.
Funny. The Nazi wants to tell me how to breathe. Bro, I've been requesting you to drop this conversation for a week. The original post is 9 days old. If you cannot follow a simple request from someone who wants to be left alone, guess what? 🤫 You could be a Nazi.
You seriously need to lay off the keyboard.
Chill. Not everyone's a nazi and not everyones a bot. You don't need to be paranoid about these things.
Oh mah gawd...this guy is still blathering on...🙄
Woah, I'm shocked, I wasn't sure if you could make a comment without calling someone a nazi or bot!
Oh my gawd...he still won't shut the fuck up. Has to have the last word.
At least I admit it, look in the mirror homie. You're bitching about me responding to your responses hahahaha
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