He will allow the USA to become much more independent and cut off paying for other nations' wars. He will allow the USA to become much more independent and cut off paying for other nations' wars.

Kowtowing to countries like China and Russia, allowing them to win strategic victories, will make them more powerful and give them more influence on US politics. Ie. the US would become less independent.

You don't become more independent by telling countries like China that you give up.

In the case of Ukraine, they're one of the world's top exporters of grain, which is in part why food prices have been rising globally.

We don't need the rest of the world.

You do. The world has globalised. At least 40 million American jobs are directly reliant on exports. The rest of the world also produces stuff like oil. Fuel prices would skyrocket.

A lot of unprofitable stuff has also been moved overseas. It would cost money to make it in the US. Many resources are also rare in the US. Stuff like rare-earth elements. Good luck importing from countries which have signed deals with China, because they're the new super power. Combined with de-dollarisation this would also cause massive issues, rampant inflation for example. You think it's bad now? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Our military can stomp out any invaders.

No one needs to invade the US. It's cheaper to simply buy a candidate or blackmail him. This allows countries like China to push through legislation which favours their business and strategic interests. Eg. dropping support for Ukraine or dropping support of Taiwan so that China can take control of advance chip industries.

In the long term, the US would find it hard to sustain a huge military budget when facing economic turmoil and a debt crisis. Especially in relative terms. China has a population of 1.4 billion. If the US withdraws from the Asia-Pacific and Europe, they're likely to become part of the Chinese sphere of influence. A country of 300 million, will inevitably be pushed around by a power bloc of 3 billion.

Of course, none of this will convince a Trump supporter, because most base their support on emotions not reason. And once they find they can't afford to fill up on gas, or groceries, they'll blame anyone but themselves.

Well how about doing anything remotely Godly? I mean seriously, the stuff ol Jesus H Christ tried teaching y'all seems to have been completely missed. You lot would call him "Woke".

I'm glad you stick to the "I'm a Christian" lark, as if there is a hell, you'll be more than likely heading there.

We just want to live god-fearing lives and raise good families.

And the main difference between us is that I don't really care if you do that, while your friends will label my future family with two dads as a gross perversion that calls for state intervention in order to prevent the terrible abuse of a child having two loving parents that happen to both be men, as if it's not abusive to raise a child under the terror of thinking that they're always being watched and will be tortured for all eternity if they wind up being attracted to the same gender. But ultimately, that's your life and I'll leave you to it. I'd just ask for the same courtesy.

It's ironic that people who want to live "God-fearing lives" are basically choosing to worship the antichrist. Because that's what Trump is. You know people by their actions, not whatever bull crap they spout to get reelected.

God fearing lives != raising good families

You have to pick one or the other.

We just want to live god-fearing lives

That's a funny euphemism for "impose your delusions on the rest of society, violating their freedom from religion."

You should be fearful of your god because if he’s real you’re fucked.

Admit it, you just have a fetish for being lied to.

And that's the issue. That "we" represents fewer than half of Americans. The past three times Republicans have won has been only because a person in S. Dakota's vote counts for more than a person in California.

Oh yeah living a God fearing life sounds amazing. Nothing I like more than constantly fearing an invisible sky person will send me to a fiery hell if I don't constantly worship him.

Quite simply, he said he'd do all that in his first term and he didn't.

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As another commenter rightfully pointed out - you don't get to be independent and isolationist at the same time.

Indigenous island tribes may have had this luxury for a time, but once your nation is known by another nation, it's compete or die.

China and various other countries would immediately start filling the power vacuum. Your standard of living would drop immensely and your grandchildren would be consuming Chinese culture within a decade or two at most. The American dollar, America's total dominance in science/culture/medicine, the spread of the English language - these could all be wiped out fairly quickly if America just threw up its hands and said we were done.

What you're suggesting would be like Apple saying they're going to take it easy and just stick with the iPhone 15 for good. The result would be an immediate power grab and some other company would pull ahead, leaving Apple so far behind they'd never catch up again.