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I don’t understand why cases like this aren’t the only rationale needed to abolish the death penalty.
Also, that poor man - I hope he is able to live as happy a life as can be expected given the injustice that he endured.
Because death penalty supporters are okay with killing innocents if they get to feel retribution and kill someone, regardless of "justice".
And prosecutors who intentionally withhold evidence in cases like this and death penalty cases are also "taking someone's life", so to speak. They're no better than cold-blooded killers.
(Speaking of which, if only the State of Florida would stop f**king around with Tommy Zeigler.)
Lawyer here: Lock'em up. Maybe this is a radical position, but these kinds of cases demonstrate the need to do away with absolute immunity for prosecutors and judges. Qualified immunity would be more appropriate, and unlike with police, there's never a question whether judges and prosecutors know their obligations. If you withhold evidence in order to take another man's freedom and it can be proved against you, you should go to the penitentiary, full stop. And if you sell kids to prisons in exchange for kickbacks, you should be hanged.
This is part of the problem with having a self-regulated profession. As much as I appreciate that the ethical rules to which I'm beholden are created by people who are similarly educated and have experience with the practice of the profession, we're well past the point that good lawyers and judges need to be holding bad ones genuinely accountable. 50 years of a man's life isn't worth a law license or a term on the bench. It's not even fucking close. If you want prosecutors to stop fucking around with evidence and you want judges to stop taking bribes, their legal responsibilities need to have the same teeth as the ones they wield against others. You perpetrate a fraud on the court and it costs an innocent man 50 years--you go to jail for 50 years. Lex talionis.
And if that kind of standard means people don't want to be prosecutors? Well, people who want to be able to withhold evidence shouldn't be prosecutors!
No it's because it should only be used in the most cut and dry cases.
Cases like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Hitler, Putin, Stalin.
Killing someone because they killed one person or did some heinous thing once is not a good solution.
Killing someone who has shown they do not care about human life to the point of killing multiple people either directly or indirectly is completely morally sound.
All convictions are theoretically cut and dry. The legal system has proven again and again to be far too blunt an instrument to make the kind of distinction you're asking for. The death penalty offers no benefit beyond the satisfaction of revenge, and it inevitably leads to innocent people dying. It's an unconscionable tradeoff.
I'm not saying I'm in favour of the death penalty, but to play devil's advocate it must surely be cheaper for the state to execute a man than to jail him for 50 years?
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/76th2011/ExhibitDocument/OpenExhibitDocument?exhibitId=17686&fileDownloadName=h041211ab501_pescetta.pdf
That source and basically every other study disagrees. It's much more expensive to execute someone than keep them incarcerated.
Nope. Death penalty cases usually involve so many appeals they cost more.
With just $175k? Not likely.
Or just paying attention to the awful current state of policing in the US.
That’s why I included the whole “as can be expected” part.