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[-] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

I'm probably going to get eviscerated for this, but that sexuality is purely genetic. I think that for the vast majority of people, sexuality is way more fluid than not, and much more influenced by environment than people would like to think.

I also don't think that has any bearing on people's right to choose.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

It's not thought to be genetic otherwise it would be heritable and its clearly not. It would also have self extinguished before too long if it ever got a foothold in the first place.

It's likely a construction issue having something to do with something that happens in the womb rather than to do with the blueprints.

[-] june@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As a member of the LGBTQ community, I fully agree.

I’ve believed that we are a mix of nature and nurture for as long as I can remember, and it stands to reason that sexuality is a part of that. I also think the vast majority of people are far more sexually fluid than they would admit due to cultural stigma. Not everyone is bi, but I do think there’s a bell curve.

That said. I do also believe that people are born the way they are and the nurture aspect is more of a determining factor for how they express not who they are. I was raised and socialized as a straight male but realized in my 30’s that I’m queer and non-binary. Realizing that put so much context to the struggles I had growing up on a Christian environment and solidified for me that this is who I am, despite how I was nurtured. But had I not gotten out of the religion, I’d have never changed and just silently suffered and struggled until I died. My expression wouldn’t have changed who I am, only how I acted.

[-] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can believe what you want to believe, you didn't say it in a hateful way at all.

I'm curious about what your opinion would be of trans people going through HRT though. When starting hormone therapy you are warned of potential changes to your sexuality. I am transfem, and prior to transitioning I was bi. Since starting HRT, I tend to have an aversion to men sexually and am more lesbian aligned now.

I guess that is fluidity and environmental factors, but biological factors even still.

Other people meanwhile experience the opposite effect (which is what I expected) or none at all.

[-] frogfruit@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

Not who you asked, but I feel it's more of a social thing in myself. HRT has biological effects, but I don't think I'd be doing it in the first place if gender wasn't such a construct to begin with. I believe the sexuality changes are mainly social as well. There's the transmasc meme that T makes you more gay, but I don't think it makes us gay so much as make us more attracted to gay/bi men who actually validate our gender identities, whereas pre-transition, many of us avoided straight men who simply viewed us as female.

[-] ani@endlesstalk.org -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

trans people going through HRT

Not op, but I went a bit through HRT, then desisted (primarily because of financial issues, then because I didn't identity with the opposite sex anymore). IMO transgenderism is understandable because many gender norms seem socially constructed, but transexualism (including HRT and surgeries) is a mental disorder or a maladaptive coping mechanism or immaturity leading to people not actually understanding and not accepting their bodies function, and I believe social contagion is true. It is pretty concerning minors are allowed to HRT since they bodies including their minds didn't fully develop yet (which goes until age ~24). There's a ton of detrans who regret going through transexual procedures.

I am transfem, and prior to transitioning I was bi. Since starting HRT, I tend to have an aversion to men sexually and am more lesbian aligned now.

I don't think this has anything to do with you going through HRT. It just shows how your natural hormones and nature are still strong enough to do what is natural. It's just immaturity; time went and you matured, even with HRT. Most natural women are actually attracted solely to men in comparison.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Statistically its a microscopic portion a fraction of 1% who regret transitioning which tends to suggest social contagion isn't a thing either.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Statistically its a microscopic portion a fraction of 1% who regret transitioning which tends to suggest social contagion isn't a thing either.

[-] ani@endlesstalk.org -3 points 10 months ago

microscopic portion a fraction of 1%

I tried searching for scientific articles but didn't find a source on this 1%. Could you share a scientific source on this?

suggest social contagion isn’t a thing either.

I don't see how they are causally correlated. I just say from personal experience... that if I wasn't exposed since my pre-teen years to LGBT I would likely never think transitioning was a thing and as such would not have pursued that. Today I see it was just a waste of time and money trying to transition.

[-] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago
[-] ani@endlesstalk.org -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some studies... In a review of 27 studies...

What studies are these? There's no reference.

almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries

Also, it's pretty crazy they're doing this on teens and crazier that their parents are allowing that. Like, do you really think teens have the maturity to comprehend what are the consequences of this in the long term? I don't think so even if some doctor gives them a paper to read, just as I was given.

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