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[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Klinefelter syndrome with XXY is the most common of the non-standard combinations, but only account for about 1/1000 of male births. Combinatorics of sex chromosome aneuploidies such as XXX, XXY, XXXY and so on does only give a finite number of combinations.

I do not really see why this argument is brought up so often. Is it neccesary to speak of chromosmes to validate gender identity?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 11 points 11 months ago

It is basically the entire premise of their argument, and it's wrong, so yes.

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Since most transphobes base their arguments primarily on a perceived biological binary, the argument needs to be brought up.

The psychological and sociological arguments around gender identity and expression sadly aren’t very fruitful when the people you’re trying to convince fixate on biology knowledge that has been refuted for decades.

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Okay, I see. I am not from the US, which might be guessed from my misspelling of "necessary" above. I am sorry you have to deal with those people, but for what it is worth they are not so abundant here (in my experience at least).

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I’m not from the US either, have met my fair share of idiots both on- and offline though…

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Did not mean to make an assumption about you, merely say that the culture war waged by reactionaries is foreign to me.

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

No worries. I’m luckily also mostly spared from personal confrontations with assholes in my country

[-] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 11 months ago

You have to connect with people based on their existing world view. If they think gender identity must be exclusively determined by chromosomes, then talking about XXY and YYX and whatnot can help them see that it's not as simple as only two genders. It's my understanding that the intersex rate is more like 1%, but it's been a while since I looked into it and I don't know the mechanism behind the other ones.

[-] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

It could very well be higher than I wrote as there is evidence of it being underdiagnosed. I just do not see why chromosomes are pertinent to discussing gender identity when I think the point is that anyone should be able to self determine whatever they want to identify as.

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