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Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.

In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.

Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Humanizing means showing something or someone in an empathic light. Not calling them literal demons. Biden would crush every orphan if it would gain him five dollars. Doesn't make him less evil because he's apathic instead of deliberate.

Biden has not committed less genocide at all. His genocide is just beginning. He has destroyed all infrastructure in Gaza and is blocking food and water. Diseases and famine are spreading fast. And all because he wants to defend his oil.

I hate Trump for his internal policies but he did not start any wars. He just let the existing wars that Obama started continue and even withdrew from Afghanistan. Orange Man is objectively less genocidal than Biden with foreign policy (but still genocidal)

And still, voting for less genocide instead of a little more genocide, explicitly enables genocide.

As long as you are able to vote for a party that doesn't support genocide you are complicit in enabling genocide when you vote for Biden or Trump. Just because all the other Nazi's voted for Hitler it doesn't mean it makes it any better when you do so yourself. You are responsible for your actions, not those of others.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Funny. Biden wanted out of Afghanistan since the Obama years. Trump withdrew after Biden won the election. He did it mostly to hurt Biden, not because he's less genocidal. Take a look at his antagonizing of Iran. He withdrew from the nuclear deal which hurt their citizens and killed a high ranking general to piss them off. Iran is probably going to get nukes now, increasing the chance of nuclear devastation in the middle east. Trump emboldened nationalism across the world and increased the likelihood of World War. That's all his trade war with China accomplished. Empowering reactionary hardliners in the second place world superpower. Less genocidal my ass.

I can't read your unwillingness to vote for Biden as anything more than justifying apathy. You use understandable frustration to justify unreasonable actions. Anarchists and Marxists endorsed Biden in 2020. You think Noam Chomsky thought Biden would be better than he's been? Biden was only to the left of actual billionaires in the primary, yet he's been more left wing than Obama or Clinton in office. Him saying trickle down doesn't work and Republicans are "kinda fascist" is more than I expected. I did not want him in 2020, but because the left failed to vote in the primary, we're stuck with him. Even if Warren wasn't a snake, Bernie still would have lost.

Flipping the table is not a real option right now, and Trump winning will not make it more likely, but less likely. It was a dumb argument the last two elections, and it's even dumber now. The DSA strategy of ground up leftism has been far more effective than the Green party focus on mostly just the presidency. Support your local DSA if you want leftism in America, keep the President as left wing as possible, and find a strategy of flipping the table that doesn't empower fascists.

Deluding yourself into thinking liberals are fascists to excuse apathy is more pathetic than people who say, "I don't care about politics." I used to hate those people, but I realize that ignorant leftists are worse. You have serious dunning–kruger political analysis and solutions. It's not that I don't see the bullshit you see, it's that I see more than you.

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