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Like Republicans are anti-whaling anyways... 🙄
The selective outrage over animal rights is such manufactured bullshit. But if I am being honest, democrats, progressives and leftists are all equally culpable in these do nothing virtue signal outrages. If you are wearing leather, eating meat and financing animal factory farming, I don't wanna hear about your crocodile tears when an imaginary whale or a fictional dog is hurt.
Not quite, the whole "Enlighten centerist" is a crap feel good argument to side with oppressers out of personal convience, far from a legitimate political perspective.
But this isn't politics, it's me as part of the <1% outsider vegan community in a EXTREMELY carnist world. I'm just so bloody tired of people talking about the horrors of "animal abuse" as they pay others to perpetuate it. It's less centerist, and more annoyance at large scale cognitive dissonance from a historical norm.
no one does that
Paying others to pay others to do something is, via the transitive property, paying others to do something
no one is paying anyone to abuse animals.
only bankers do that
What exactly do you think happens to the money you spend at the grocery store on bacon? It goes to the people producing it. And then they make more.
they were already paid before the store bought or received the bacon. and after you spend money, it's not yours and you can't decide what happens to it.
Lmao. I hope you are just trolling because that's a 2nd grade answer. There is no way you are a serious person who has serious opinions about the world.
But what DOES happen with it? The store restocks.
what happens when you buy beans on june 25? the store takes your money, and increases their orders of hotdogs and hamburgers using your money in preparation of july 4. the fact that the store is making that decision is not your fault, it's theirs. it's their decision to make.
5 responses in 3 minutes? Yeah, no. I'm not engaging with whatever tf this is. Using debate terminology does not mean you have a logical argument and I'm not about to go through economic semantics while you play ignorant. Think as you please and I encourage you to tell/show as many people as you can about this interaction.
packing 3 appeals to ridicule and a personal attack into 2 sentences is impressive in its own right.
this is a thought-terminating cliche.
this is a personal attack.... and an appeal to ridicule, not a rebuttal
I know it's hard for the communist mind to understand commerce, but when you buy something from the store, that store buys more of that thing to fulfill the demand.
While it's true that the money I spend on soy milk and tofu goes into the same bank account as the money that pays for bacon and goat brains, stores are aware of what people are buying, and will likely not spend my lentil and black beans money on more dead animals.
The money that you give them for your dead three month old chicken is money that they will spend on more three month old chickens, which those chickens' producers will spend on making more chickens to kill at three months old. They will spend the money I gave them for my kale and spinach on more kale and spinach.
they don't segregate the money. it's fungible and all goes in the same pool. no one is responsible for the decisions they make except the people making the decisions.
This is nonsense, and I think you know it. If you buy a chicken from the store, they will take your few dollars that you spent and spend it on another chicken to replace the one you bought. They may not keep track of which dollar bills were spent on chickens and only use those dollar bills to buy more, but that's a meaningless distinction. You bought a chicken, and gave the company some number of dollars and now the company is going to spend some number of dollars more on chickens than it otherwise would have. You have paid the company to pay a farm to kill another chicken. You have, via the transitive property, paid for a farm to kill another chicken.
this is a counterfactual. it cannot be proven
there is no transitive property, unless you think the people running the store and the farm have no free will. i don't make their decisions for them.
I know it's you, commie, you're the only one who replies like this. Did you get banned or something, and had to switch to an alt account?
cogently, on-topic, and without personal attacks?
Making an individual reply to every sentence in the parent comment, having the effect of spamming the thread with dozens and dozens of replies and chains that make it hard to keep track of what we're actually arguing about.
i found meandering, multifaceted comments muddy the waters. I think the shorter comments keep it much clearer.
no. i paid for the food they had at that moment. there is no other transaction for which i am responsible.
assuming they are open long enough to place another order, and that they don't decide to change their inventory levels and become vegan. frankly, i'm not responsible for what they decide in the future. they could take the money and close shop. it's entirely up to them.
If you keep buying chickens, they will not decide to become vegan. It is entirely up to them, just like it's entirely up to my friend whether he buys me a burrito from taco bell after I cashapp him $5 for a burrito from taco bell. Worth noting, even though I only transfered $5 from my cashapp to his, and he spent $5 in paper money, I have still facilitated the transfer of $5 into taco bell's bank account
this is totally disanalogous: no such contract exists between me and the store that has sold me something. I already have the product and they already have the money. if they close shop and run away with the money, that is just as valid as continuing to act as a retailer.
Imagine being a leftist and not opposing animal exploitation.
iknorite?
Cows are the finest example of the proletariat. The only service they provide to the economy is their body itself, so they are literally stripped of it to enrich others with more power, just an endless cycle of suffering.
Cows also give us milk, which is a massive industry with lots of different products.
The amount of cheese I had last night says otherwise
one has nothing to do with the other