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I don't know that I would want to completely remove the element from any of those jobs, especially doctor. An AI doesn't really understand what pain is. But I would be in favor of a hybrid AI/human job for any of those.
Have you met doctors? Their personality type is the closest to robots we have. They spend years in misery memorizing things, yet when they become doctors they need to learn "bedside manner"
My doctors are all excellent. They make me feel like a somewhat valuable human for a few minutes a month.
I've been dealing with a serious mystery medical issue for months now and also have a bad nerve disorder and, aside from one case, I have had very good experience with my many doctors, who have all had an excellent bedside manner even when they were unable to help me in the end. The people in the medical industry in the U.S. who are not great at dealing with people are the people who didn't go to medical school, like at the registration desk. They're paid shit and are sick of their jobs and have to deal with terrible people all day and I don't blame them. And doctors and nurses have to deal with terrible people all day too, which is why I am actually pretty impressed by how caring everyone has been.
While waiting in the bed to get my gallbladder removed at the end of last month, I had to listen to some lady whine and complain to literally every person that came into her pre-op area across from mine, everyone from the intake person to the surgeon, and bitching to her husband the rest of the time. And, of course, regularly pressing the call button. I pressed it twice. Once to go to the bathroom and once because my IV bag was getting empty because someone accidentally made it drip too quickly.
And wow are there some shitty healthcare jobs. A guy came in to shave my whole stomach with clippers, which took a good 10 minutes because I'm fairly hirsute. Then I listened to him in another waiting area shaving some guy who must have been Robin Williams' stunt double because the guy was still doing it when I left for surgery and he started like 45 minutes beforehand. Imagine being the guy who has to shave everyone before surgery. And even he was really nice.
That's a big reason I would like to see them replaced by AI. Humans can't help but be affected by that kind of stuff; AI shouldn't be. Prejudices and preconceived notions come with the human element and are not something easily fixed. AI shouldn't have this issue. No, AI doesn't have any concept of pain other than what it's been taught; but I'm not sure many of these privileged, silver spoon doctors do either.
I'm aware that humans are the ones programming the AI and are likely to bake in their own prejudices and opinions, but that's also why any publicly facing AI like that should be able to be audited by anyone to see exactly why it makes the decisions it does. That way the baked in human element can hopefully be weeded out.
Sorry... you think doctors have never felt physical pain because of their privilege?
The same as someone living under the poverty line? No, I don't. But that is by far the tiniest part of the reason I feel they should be replaced.
So if a person living under the poverty line loses a finger, they will feel more physical pain when it gets lopped off than if it happened to a doctor?
Can you describe the physical mechanism here please?
The poor is going to get to wait in line at urgent care for 6 hours waiting to get it attended to and get sent home with asprin. You really think our medical system is equal among classes?
I think losing a finger hurts the same amount no matter how long you wait for it to get attended to afterward.
Also, that's not how ERs work. There's triage. Even if an uninsured person comes to an ER with an emergency like that, they will be seen quickly. I know, I've been in the ER three times in the past year for a lesser issue, I have insurance, and a prisoner from the federal prison got treated before I did because he had been stabbed. That's how ERs work. They don't base them on your bank balance.
A ranked class medical system has nothing to do with the literal ability to feel pain. You're acting like doctors somehow have different nervous systems from the rest of humanity.
Also, based on your rationale, are doctors who work at free clinics able to feel physical pain?
Doctors don't shave...