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In modern history, I’m pretty big on FDR, Eisenhower, JFK, Carter, Obama, and unironically Biden. I know that he’s lost a lot of support over supporting Israel but Hamas needs to be destroyed. Not attacking them in Gaza is a mistake. What is a mistake is the shitstain Netanyahu and all of his soldiers that aren’t taking necessary precautions to prevent civilian casualties.
The way to destroy Hamas isn't through bombs, it's through peaceful coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis. Proving that you don't want that, by killing Palestinian civilians en masse, just fuels Hamas.
Sure, Israel is pursuing very shitty war crimes in an imperialist push
But
as taken from this comment
It seems that neither side is interested in a true two country solution.
https://feddit.de/comment/3746552
Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them
1937 - Peel commission, rejected
1947 - Partition resolution, rejected
2000 - Camp David, rejected
2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.
2008 - Olmert offer, rejected
Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new 'policy document' accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103
Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected
1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.
1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).
1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.
2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon's peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to 2021: Netanyahu's repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
Not gonna link Trump's imbecilic peace plan as an example.
Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -
None
Bruh they literally just want to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth. Clinton came so fucking close to getting it done and Arafat shit on it. Fun fact, Netanyahu had just lost the election right before they came close to agreeing on a deal
Or, is it possible that, under pressure from Clinton, Barak made an intentionally shitty offer that Arafat could not accept? In any case, there's the Arab Peace Initiative that put on the table several times a peace settlement based on the 1967 borders, which Israel never considered. Another fun fact: Israel facilitated the creation of Hamas as a way to counter Fatah and the PA, which were becoming too moderate, and too open to a deal.
In sum, the parent commenter has it right. Israel has had plenty of opportunities for peace, but has chosen to treat Palestinians like dirt with a brutal and grinding occupation. It's human nature that some would fight back.
I was aware of the second fun fact. Netanyahu needed Hamas because he never wanted a deal. But I don’t think the deal was near as shitty as we think. That would have been a hell of a lot better than whatever the fuck is happening now.
It’s only human nature that they gang rape women until their genitals aren’t recognizable? What Hamas did was pure terrorism and in no way a natural human reaction. Much of their motivation came from wanting to destroy Israel, not wanting to live side-by-side with it
And so does that justify Israel behaving just as badly? And Arafat should have taken Barak's shitty deal because of the atrocities that Israel is capable of unleashing? Brutalizing and killing a civilian population in order to achieve a political goal? That sounds a lot like the t word, too.
At what point does it stop being "aren't taking necessary precautions to prevent" and start becoming "active negligence to encourage"
Bibi allowed tons of funding to pass thru to Gaza. He knows what he did, is doing, and how that will play out favorably for his traitorous ass