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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 53 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, a paper about wolves following a leader which was disproven by the same person that made it obviously applies to humans

The average pack size in North America is eight wolves and in Europe 5.5 wolves, with the biggest being 42

The largest human "pack" size is 37800000

i couldnt find the average size of a city, only the largest

42 is sightly smaller than 37800000 so studies on wolves about social structure might be wrong if you replaces wolves with humans

[-] danielbln@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

I hear you, but you counter is a little disingenuous. A city isn't your pack, your social circle is. And that's probably smaller than 42. Just because you're in a city of millions doesn't mean you directly interact with them in a social way, we are still animals of small social groups, even if we live in a global space of billions. The alpha male stuff is still bunk science trash of course.

[-] Syrc@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Aren’t Alpha males (and females) an actual thing in many species, like primates? I thought just the wolves one was disproven (not that it means anything for human dynamics of course).

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

Does the half wolf in Europe go to another pack, or is it eaten?

[-] SkyeHarith@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

It’s half a wolf in Europe and half a wolf in the Atlantic Ocean. Duh

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Oh, I missed the obvious answer. It swims to North America to find a place where they allow larger packs.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 12 points 10 months ago

There are two half-wolves inside of you, both left halves. It smells terrible

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago

There are actually 6 0.8(3) wolves

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

There are 6 wolves, but the alpha counts as 0.5

[-] clb92@feddit.dk 17 points 10 months ago

As a European, I gotta tell you, it's super creepy seeing those half wolves walk around with their packs... You guys are lucky your wolves decided to split up in 8-packs instead.

[-] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

So which way do you split an Alpha male - lengthwise? or upper/lower body? Asking for a friend

[-] clb92@feddit.dk 7 points 10 months ago

Very randomly. Some of them consist of only four legs, the tail and the head - no body.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Some real roadside picnic shit

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago
[-] clb92@feddit.dk 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It was a joke based on: "The average pack size [...] in Europe 5.5 wolves"

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Ooh. Well I feel supremely dumb.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 10 months ago

There are also actually half wolves, where wild dogs cross breed with wolves.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

This I know. Though as far as I'm aware we don't have any here in Sweden at least. We barely have any wolves. There are no wild/stray dogs either.

[-] urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago

I’ve seen pictures. Very eerie how they manage with only two legs.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago

And somehow they always end up in parliament.

:P

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I feel like there’s a joke here I’m not getting.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The largest human “pack” size is 37800000

Dunbar's number would suggest otherwise. Human "pack" size is closer to 150. Past that, you really don't recognize or interact with people to consider them peers.

But the rise of "Alpha Male" psychology seems to be paired with the gamification of dating, particularly via for-profit web apps. There's all this meta-psychology blossoming around a simple mathematical problem of too-many-dudes for too-few-women in a setting that rewards aggressiveness.

What we have is a totally artificial environment lauded by bunch of NEET libertarian techbros who are then forced to rationalize why they can't use it to get laid. In some sense, its like that scene from "A Beautiful Mind" except replace John Nash with Andrew Tate, and he's telling everyone at the table to fight to the death over the one blonde girl.

But the heart of the problem isn't simple that humans aren't wolves. It is that you have made of yourself a pack of caged animals and tried to explain the resulting social dysfunction by appealing to naturalism. Even if you were right and there was a chicken-like peaking order rather than a giant dog orgy instilled in the human psyche, you couldn't take advantage of it because you have become locked in a hen house overwhelmingly composed of roosters.

Incidentally, gay dating apps have an entirely different dynamic. There's no "gay alpha male" theory to contend with because they're all in the pile and having the time of their lives.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

and he’s telling everyone at the table to fight to the death over the one blonde girl.

And to make it even worse, he thinks no man actually likes the girl, or would enjoy being intimate with her. In his mind, "the girl" is only an object of status, something you ought to get to place yourself above other men, either because he's always been a psychopath or because it's been so long since he ever experienced connection with another human being that he doesn't even remember what it is.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago

Its cause he is a sex trafficker, and that mindset is where his clients come from.

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