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Stuff like this makes me think we’re witnessing so many crimes that we don’t have a names for yet.
You wouldn't download a person!
Some might, I think we’re coming up on an interesting ethical impasse with this tech
You wouldn't upload a person to the cloud
Eh, I think this is just intellectual property right infringement with a side of being an insensitive dumbass and not really that new. Like, how is this any different than someone dressing up in a George Carlin costume and doing their George Carlin impression for an hour? Shouldn't be using George Carlin's name to sell your stuff, but it's not like anyone got enslaved or he dug up Carlin's corpse or anything.
e; I'm not sure if this detail changes anything, but did the AI write these jokes or just do the voiceover work? I was under the impression that it just did the voice and another human wrote the material
Why is this or should be a crime? You wouldn't call an Elvis impersonator a criminal, why is it different when it comes from a piece of technology?
I get why his daughter finds it creepy, but I just listened to it and I liked it, they don't seem to be trying to fool anyone and make very clear it's an ai impersonation. I see it more like a kind of homage or something, it's not like they're putting his face on an ad. I don't think you should need permission from the dead person's family for this kind of things.
Because it doesn't come from a person. Sure, a person wrote the script and handles the generator. But we haven't decided yet as humans whether something made entirely by the machine with minimum human input counts yet as agency.
When a human impersonates a celebrity, it's partially imperfect. There's a person underneath that can't hide and, most importantly, someone we can engage with in good faith to discern intent. They can tells us whether it's satire, admiration, greed or whatever. Things we can relate to.
When a machine does it, it usually is way too pitch perfect. And it's separate one or two degrees from the initiator, the person running the model, posting, etc. This makes it fall on the uncanny valley. The machine cannot be asked for its intention, it has no emotions, it conceals no motive, it posses no goal. You have to hunt down the owner and this makes it so the machine is perceived as a soulless puppet. You cannot relate nor empathize with its product. It's a nothing imitation, with no art or passion.
Part of this is because he is not doing a Carlin comedy routine, he's writing and putting words, implying thoughts and beliefs into Carlin's voice. This is fundamentally different and more transgressing of Carlin's legacy. An Elvis impersonator, sings Elvis songs as Elvis had sung them. They don't write new original songs then try to pass them at if Elvis is now singing, and implicitly endorsing, new material.
Then on the topic of whether it's a crime, it's only if there's genuine intent. Entertainment and satire are some of the valid reasons. And even then, there are people who disagree and find them tasteless and disrespectful. This is not new, not everyone is happy to see their passed away loved ones or idols be mocked or reanimated as puppets.
Unless I'm mistaken, the ai wrote the jokes itself. Basically it was fed Carlin material and attempted to mimic his style, cadence, and voice.
And I'm not sure how you can claim they are trying to imply he made these jokes, its introduced with the ai being very clear that this is not the case.
This is basically an Elvis impersonator, except it wrote it's own Elvis songs. And, of course, it isn't human.
I feel like your argument boils down to it not being human. This might be a distinction that we have to and should make, but your argument for that distinction seems pretty arbitrary right now.
Yes, welcome to humankind. Most of emotional matters are arbitrary. And yes, the argument is that it was not, attributable, made by a human.
The question the previous poster asked was "Why is this or should be a crime?"
You answered "Because it doesn't come from a person."
I wasn't responding to a claim about emotional matters, but legal matters.
Things aren't crimes until they're actually made illegal.
That was implied, yeah