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What's the issue? Get a ton of federal agents, march on the border, arrest all obstructing Texas shitheads and beat them down with the book. Make examples out of them.
That will likely result in bloodshed. I think it's inevitable at this point unless Biden decides to completely roll over.
There's not going to be any bloodshed. Texas National Guard soldiers want to go home safely every night, just like everyone else. I think the main issue is the border patrol doesn't want a conflict.
Biden could nationalize the Texas Guard troops at the fence. Then give them a direct order to open the gate. If they don't, dishonorable discharge for disobeying a direct order from the President. No pension, no nothing. They will open the gate.
What happens after that? Does he de-nationalize them once the issue is sorted, or has Texas now lost full control permanently?
edit: I seem to have hit some nerve with a legitimate question? 7 downvotes???? I don't know how biden nationalizing the state guard works and what happens after.
Same policy as with Southern states after the Civil War.
I would argue that Texas has already done enough to be stripped of control permanently.
The reason people are downvoting you is because your question is "So what does Biden do with his authority after exercising his authority? Not exercise it more or exercise it forever?"
You think you have a gotcha, but really you just sound ignorant and angry.
WTF? There's no gotcha there.
I seriously have no idea what happens after he does it. There's 0 anger in my question just trying to understand what it actually means.
It solves the immediate problem, but whats the aftermath.
Edit: And please do tell what kind of options beside eventually giving control back, or keeping control exist? I seriously don't know.
The National Guard is the "militia" that you hear about in the Constitution and such. Basically militias were brought up during the Revolutionary War and are what actually fought most of the battles. Those people wanted to ensure that militias would always be a thing so that in the future, oppression wouldn't occur.
In normal times, a governor is the head of a militia. But ultimately, the militias are part of the US military and always under the president. There are going to be laws and situations that Congress has spelled out over the years that say when this can or cannot happen, for how long it can last, etc.
In brief: during an emergency, the president or governor calls up the reservists. Think natural disasters and such. When the emergency is over, they go back home and back to their normal jobs.
This doesn't seem the same though?
In this case it's the state national guard interfering with federal business. They themselves are the emergency.
If he nationalizes them to resolve the situation (letting the border guard patrol the area) the moment he ends his control, Texas would just start up the interference again?
Is the outcome that he nationalizes it, and they remain under his control until a federal court orders Texas to comply, at which point he returns control to Texas?
You’d surely have a court order by that point preventing it from happening again. Courts can bring in marshals I’d think.
Ah, that makes sense then. I think the marshals as the last step if needed helps close the loop. Thanks!
The same thing happens as with desegregation. The national guard eventually goes home as the operation is considered complete. Sure the governor could reactivate them and try to understand everything, but that's not really realistic.
We already handled the “what are you going to do if we don’t follow the law” question here once, they must have just taken that part out of their history books.
I'm fine with bloodshed. SWAT the fuckers in their beds.
Read the wiki article on the standoff in Waco, TX, which happened under Clinton. It would be a larger version of that.