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I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn't much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl. They both contain a lot of the same bacteria, you wouldn't be much better off licking an old used plate that has been sitting in a moist environment for a few days before you put the dishwasher on than you would be from licking a toilet brush. Well made dishwashers are designed to vigorously wash and, with the right settings and detergent, sanitize everything inside them so that they are safe to eat off of. Heck the machines they use to sanitize surgical equipment are essentially fancy dishwashers. But emotionally I couldn't do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn't be able to get over that mental hurdle.
First, what the fuck is growing on your dishes that you believe is "logically" equivalent to eating human shit? Second, this isn't a logic problem or a place for opinion. All the work was already done for you, just waiting for you to look it up instead of giving your opinion on bacteria.
Human shit also doesn't only contain bacteria. There's an estimated 100 million - 1 billion virus per gram of wet shit inside of us. Fungi are estimated at up to a million microorganisms per gram of wet shit and there's still around 100 billion bacteria per gram of wet shit. Let's not forget parasites like cryptosporidium which your body purges in shit.
Meanwhile either giving your dishes a cursory rinse or not allowing them to sit covered in food for days on end would minimize bacterial or fungal growth on your dishes.
This is a reminder for everyone: your opinion on facts that you can't be bothered to type in a search box are less than worthless. They're disinformation and in some cases, like telling people that eating shit is no more harmful that licking a plate, can cause harm.
Just say no to opinions on what facts may or may not be. Cite your sources.
I didn't say it was the equivalent I said neither are good for you and both could be cleaned and sanitized sufficiently by the right dishwasher, so please don't put words in my mouth thanks. Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren't going to have anything good for you on them either and that's how most people treat their used dishes. We get viruses and parasites growing on regular food that has gone bad too, and both are going to disagree with your stomach and potentially do some harm. Does rinsing your dishes or washing them right away help mitigate or prevent that? Sure. Does everyone do that? Of course not. I never said "eating shit is the exact same as licking a dirty dish" nor did I say anything close to that. I said "both are bad for you and a well made dishwasher is designed to clean things really well and even sanitize them in order to make them safe to eat off of, so it makes sense logically that this could be safe but I still wouldn't do it anyway".
You literally said 'isnt much better'. A magnitude of a few thousand is 'much better' in my opinion.
Noone likes being criticized but this could be an opportunity to embrace it and learn something.
The real question here is how many grams of shit are actually in the bristles of a used toilet brush
Also how many microbes (because mako used number of actual organisms per gram to make his numbers big and scary) per visible colony or growth that you'd see on a plate with food that's been left out for several days.
What he should have elaborated on, instead of only a single sentence with a curse word for emphasis, is that the microbes in your fecal matter are more likely to be able to survive inside of your body if they make it past your innate defenses when consumed. They were already in one area and survived, and now they may be entering a different area (which is one of the major ways infections can happen). You have plenty of microbes happily surviving on your skin, in your digestive tract, etc. without causing any issues, but if they make it elsewhere, some pretty nasty infections result. Look up Staphylococcus epidermidis and its outcomes for people who have plastic medical devices implanted, even though it's really great for you to have it on your skin.
No they don't, don't project onto the world what you think is normal. Everyone I know washes up or puts the dishwasher on straight after they've eaten, then puts their dishes away when they're clean and dried.
Wait, you know folks who regularly run the dishwasher each day?
I do yes
Wow. It usually takes my partner and I two or three days to fill it. I should look up the specifics of the model and see if the energy saving option is worth it for small loads
Ah that's the issue. The people I know have 2 kids, so it takes half the time to fill the dishwasher.
Personally I only run the dishwasher when we have people round for food and drinks. Otherwise I wash up the old fashioned way because it saves power.
yay, the brutal science man to the rescue!
I don't know what "brutal science" is but I do know that the scientific process was used in many peer-reviewed studies to understand what lives in our shit. That holds a lot more weight for me than what an anonymous poster feels might be right in regards to the same subject matter.
Furthermore, the greater concept here is that we as a species have access to actual information by powers of magnitude more then ever before in human history and yet a significant percentage of the population believe that vaccines cause autism because a washed up Playboy bunny repeated what she read from a discredited "doctor" and it caught on like wildfire.
People in general too often believe what they hear or read without legitimate evidence. Disinformation exists at best because people unconsciously believe their opinions are just as valid as peer-reviewed research, and at worst to weaponize information for personal gain. Whatever the intent it's a plague on humanity and I won't apologize for calling it out when seen. If that's too "brutal" for you I hope you can get to a place where reading cited information in response to opinion doesn't disrupt your sensitivities.
I think brutal science is implying that while you're likely right, you're also being strangely aggressive and pretty uncharitable to the people you're replying to. See your three paragraph response to a one liner as an example.