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Ukraine: Hack wiped 2 petabytes of data from Russian research center
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I see all the comments saying Ukraine targeted non-military entity. But IMO, Russia can get fucked. I am not sure if they shared the data with anyone, or kept it to themselves, but no loss.
For sure they use it for war purposes.
They sure as fuck aren't using it for climate research. They dgaf about climate.
Ed: hack was maybe part of a bigger defense strike: https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/01/27/ukrainian-cyberattacks-cripple-russian-defense-contractor-weather-center/
The Russian Federation actually does give a fuck about climate... They want to make global warming worse. They get to sell more gas, they get more arable land up north, and they open up shipping routes in the Arctic. Putin is Captain Planet levels of evil, fr.
This has "they deserved it" energy.
Yes, they did
Following that logic, civilians should be fair game because "Russia can get fucked".
Ukrainian civilians are fair game to the Russian military, so...
Israel 2 electric boogaloo
Yeah Russian citizens supporting Putler can eat dick and die, but it's not Ukraine's right to go after them
I love how we're equating loss of data to loss of human life.
Taking a "this is justified because fuck Russia" line of logic to its logical conclusion is not the same as equating data loss to loss of human life.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea of collective punishment.
It's very easy to turn collective punishment into discrimination and genocide. This solves nothing and only creates more problems.
I agree but this seems to be an attack on a military contractor, similar to if Russia attacked Lockheed martin. Sure Lockheed does civilian stuff but they actively help the military. I am not sure what the UN says about it, and it certainly isn't the same as Israel collectively punishing Gaza.
I suppose everything has nuance
When the people accept this kind of behavior (of Putler), then they can't have it nice, either.
I don't think a lot of the people do.
I'm sorry, are you saying that genocide (which is what Russia literally is doing in Ukraine)is bad? Because again, that is literally what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
This is a target because it's information can be (fuck that, IS) important and be used in the Russian invasion efforts. It's a legit target
Are you saying that just because Russia is doing a genocide, doing a genocide to Russia would be justified?
Ever heard the saying "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"?
They can put that phrase on Ukrainian tombstones. /s
A data hack/destruction is not genocide.
I'm not talking about this case and this data. I'm talking about the take of people above on how things should be handled.
Derpgon said "russia can be fucked" regardless of whether it's a military or civilian target.
Maness300 pointed out that collective punishment can easily turn into discrimination. That is, there's a big difference between "XYZ is bad, because it's aiding Russian military" and "XYZ is bad, because it's Russian"
Phoenixz points out that Russia is committing genocide, as if it's a counter argument to the previous statement, somehow.
I point out that just because Russia is committing genocide, it doesn't make it right to slip into "XYZ is bad, because it's Russian" and use that as justification to do anything you want to the country and its people.
Maness300 is right: targeting entities of any country for the action of said country, regardless of whether the entities in question are responsible, or even capable of influencing the actions, is not a good idea. It will lead to more problems.
I, for example, don't support the US selling weapons to Israel. Should go and set the closest 7-eleven on fire? It's an American company, so, clearly, it's a valid target, right?
This has got to be the most peculiar downvoted comment I've seen on lemmy so far. A principled disagreement with collective punishment? Weird.