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GenAI tools ‘could not exist’ if firms are made to pay copyright::undefined

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Not that I am a fan of the current implementation of copyright in the US, but I know if I was planning on building my business around something that couldn’t exist without violating copyright I would surely thought of that fairly early on.

[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

"My profits from fencing your wallet could not exist if stealing your wallet were punished."

"Ah, you're right, how silly of me, carry on."

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago

You should check out this article by Kit Walsh, a senior staff attorney at the EFF, and this one by Katherine Klosek, the director of information policy and federal relations at the Association of Research Libraries.

[-] nymwit@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

The LCA principles also make the careful and critical distinction between input to train an LLM, and output—which could potentially be infringing if it is substantially similar to an original expressive work.

from your second link. I don't often see this brought up in discussions. The problem of models trained on copyrighted info is definitely different than what you do with that model/output from it. If you're making money from infringing, the fair use arguments are historically less successful. I have less of an issue with the general training of a model vs. commercial infringing use.

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 9 months ago

You're responsible for infringing works, whether you used Photoshop, copy & paste, or a generative model.

[-] nymwit@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

I don't disagree with that statement. I'm having trouble seeing how that fits with what I said, though. Can you elaborate?

[-] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 9 months ago

It doesn't really, I was just kind of restating what you quoted. Since no one factor of fair use is more important than the others, and it is possible to have a fair use defense even if you do not meet all the criteria of fair use, do you have data to back up your claims about moneymaking infringement?

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