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Gender gap expands between Biden and Trump, new poll shows
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I find this odd. A study came out last year (iirc) that found that, as Americans get older, a greater percentage of each age cohort becomes more conservative. It was particularly interesting because each generation exhibited the trend at the same rate - just offset by the age differences.
However millennials broke the trend, becoming more liberal as they got older, and Gen Z even more so.
I’d have to look at the details of the two studies to come to any conclusions as to what’s driving the different findings.
For me, a single data point, my GenX ass has become more liberal.
Seemed getting more conservative with age was a perfectly normal thing. You got more experience in life, can see more nuanced views, fight back against change that might have unintended consequences. I get it. Or at least I did get it...
What rates as conservative vs. liberal has changed drastically over the last decade or two. LOL, I call myself wildly liberal, but for a 20-something me, I'd have been a raging conservative in the 90s.
Anyway, power to the youth. I trust you guys, I believe in you, you're my kid's future.
Now can you take your happy ass to the polls? Pretty please with sugar on top? Get off your ass and save the world?
Same here - that’s why I was surprised by that result for Gen X.
I don’t usually associate conservatives with having more nuanced views, though. Think about all the pushback on diversity programs and CRT. I think that nuanced thought is largely an effect of education, where you learn more facts as well as how to think through problems.
Gen Xer checking in, and anecdotally: conservatives have always seemed like very, very creepy weirdos. Failed, milquetoastian supervillain wannabes who went to church but were super the devil. I've never understood how so many get sucked in with crocodile tears and pearl clutching. 10 year old me in 1986 hated their fake asses and I still do today, with burning, searing intensity. I think it's the disingenuousness that is so odious to me, especially used in service of a deeply evil agenda.
Same. To the letter.
Media: who?
They're still consistent, young men are still overall way more liberal/left leaning than the ordinary generational shift, it's just that young women have departed much further much faster since Dobbs has created a massive call to action that young women are VERY motivated by while young men haven't had that watershed moment that drives them to really act against the system.
If it was like, "each state gets to set limits on how many times you can have sex or jack off in a month because it kills fetuses", guys everywhere would be in a rage.
I can't figure out how women can still support the Republicans after they took their rights away.
Unless you had an enforcement mechanism, those guys would love the fuck out of it and claim that they never masturbate anyway. But come up with a way to prove they are lying and then they'll be up in arms over such an invasion of privacy.
Considering which states would be prone to pass anti masturbation laws, that method of proof would probably be based on skin colour.
Porn bans and requiring ID to view porn. I bet that could do it.
I totally agree, but the study I read was pre-Dobbs, I believe. It was a longitudinal study so the data in the study was absolutely pre-Dobbs and went back through the 50s or so. Sorry - it’s been a while and the thing that stuck with me the most was the line graph.
False correlation, generations don't become more conservative as they get older, they get more conservative as they amass weath.
The trend breaking just shows that the newer generations are getting screwed over
Or the definitions of what it means to be conservative or liberal have changed, and that’s altered the conscious and subconscious calculus for people.
I would also add the ratcheting up of political identity as personal identity, and an intensification of tribalism.
Then again, that’s all tied up in my own confirmation bias.
Was gonna say the same, as I remember reading a study a few years back that came to this conclusion. They found no direct correlation between age and shifting political opinions, but that as people accumulated wealth, they were more likely to become more conservative.
Basically, when people start benefitting from the system, they stop wanting that system to change.
I was not implying otherwise - not intentionally at least. I do think wealth has a lot to do with it. However, there’s also a developing fear of change as people get older (so becoming conservative in the classical sense of the word in terms of not wanting things to change), and if I recall correctly there’s increases in things like religiosity as well. I’m not aware of anyone who looked at the aging effect on things like racism, etc., but I wouldn’t be surprised. My father, who was a Republican, used to say that a conservative was a liberal who’d gotten mugged.
I think the new consensus is that generations don't trend conservative, but deaths trend liberal. People in need of healthcare tend to vote democratic - but people in need of healthcare also die at higher rates then the general population. Married people tend to live longer, and until gay marriage was legalized, that meant gay people lived shorter lives. Conservatives tend to be more afraid of things, which until they became afraid of COVID vaccines, made them more cautious and live longer. This is just but a handful of things that recently turned around and equalized the death rates.
I'm not sure about that. For one the trend towards conservative manifests itself way before death rates are a significant factor. Plus, none of that explains women who live longer.
No, it's much simpler. Traditionally older people skew conservative because... well they simply want to conserve the past. It's just straight up inertia. Nothing complicated about it.
Here's the thing though: Republicans are not conservative. They do not want status quo. They are regressive. They want to completely reform the system from the ground up in their own vision. They have realized that the status quo is leaving them behind, and the only way for the system to work for them is to take it back by force, with new oppressive policies. Authoritarianism. Discrimination.
Anyway, support for regressive policies are not explained by inertia, for it is an opposite force. Which explains why this is no longer a generational divide. I think other factors are just minor details by comparison. The fact that these regressive policies discriminate against women, for example, is the new divide.
If anything I would speculate that it's actually because people tend to accrue wealth as they get older and millennials are the first generation that's really struggling to do that.