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The ethnic makeup of Ukraine and it's election results is absolutely none of Russia's business and it's gives it no excuse to attack Ukraine. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, what happens internally is of no consequence of Russia. In the end, Ukraine ousted Yanukovych after it turned out he was in Putin's pocket and fucked off to Russia. The people decided they didn't want to align with Russia and Putin realised he was losing influence of the country he thinks should be under Russian control.
You still haven't replied to my point about whether Russia or other nations should have surrendered when they were attacked by axis powers. They fought back against aggressive tyrants and kept their land at huge costs. Ukraine are very much in the right to do the same.
Of course that's bad. There's a good reason why cluster munitions are banned and I'm against the US supplying them to Ukraine. In retrospect though this is virtually a none issue (it was used against Russian invaders and not civilians) given the terrorist attacks Russia launched against the civilian population, bombing hospitals, targeting apartment blocks, stealing Ukrainian children, raping and murdering their way through the country. I'm sure someone as intelligent and with a balanced view will be constantly denouncing the atrocities that they've caused and calling out Russia for its war crimes, and calling for them to stop the attacks.
The NATO crap isn't even worth discussing and is just a flimsy excuse from Russia to try and justify the "special military operation". Ukraine isn't even in NATO but Russia has done a damn good job of promoting the organisation. Former Soviet countries have joined or want to join precisely because of the behaviour exhibited by Russia. It's their sovereign right as independent country to decide if they join, it's none of Russia's business.
After the western sponsored coup in 2014 the eastern regions of Ukraine wanted to separate and Ukraine has been in a civil war since then. What Russia did is actually directly modelled on what NATO did in Yugoslavia where they recognized the independence of the breakaway regions and then had them invite NATO for help. That's literally the precedent that you NATO chuds set.
The point where you're trying to compare people of eastern Ukraine fighting for independence from the coup regime that was shelling them with cluster munitions to nazis? If you don't understand why that's an idiotic comparison, then what else is there to say to you.
Oh, it's bad, but the people the coup regime was shelling apparently don't get a right of self determination according to you.
Actual geopolitical experts disagree, but I guess you think you know better because you've demonstrated such deep understanding of the subject in this thread. Fun fact is that Russia wanted to join NATO in the 90s and NATO told Russia to fuck off after which point NATO went on to invade a bunch of countries such as Yugoslavia, Libya, and Syria and continued to surround Russia militarily.
You're an ignoramus and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself.