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Junior doctors in England offer to call off strike if given more time for talks
(www.theguardian.com)
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i can understand why they want to have a pay rise but the amount asked is totally unrealistic considering the NHS is on its knees.
Can anyone see the healthcare in this country is only going to get worse? Its terrible over in Wales where i am.
The NHS is on its knees due to 14 years of deliberate Tory underfunding and sabotage. Asking for a reasonable wage is not a unreasonable act.
asking is reasonable, expecting it is another thing all together
The amount asked, is simply the amount lost due to inflation over multiple years without an inflation-matching pay rise.
i know that, and if they can get it, good for them. But read the room, there's no money
So how about the government actually open proper negotiations ?
That'd be good. It'll never happen, at least with the current one.
I also can't see a lavour one giving what the Drs ask either. They're rowing back on other expenditure because the forecast of our economy and the govts finance is bleak.
So what solution would you suggest
The NHS is on its knees because of deliberate underfunding. It is only still going because NHS workers have taken a 25-35% real terms pay cut since 2010. It cannot recover off the backs of its workforce, not least because that workforce can easily find work elsewhere but the NHS cannot replace them.
The Tories are doing this because they want to privatise health care. Don't make it so easy for them.
what exactly am I doing to make it so easy for them? Not being optimistic about the situation? I'm not stopping anyone doing anything. Crack on. I just will not join in the "hurr, durr. Tories bad" circlejerk with the endless repetition of the same old widely known history and either sides talking points. It's the infantile r/unitedkingdom all over again.
I think you're all naive to think anyone is going to get anywhere with the current govt, theres a track record of this and neither side is willing to compromise. History has shown what happens in this situation in the UK. Nothing. Even if the protests/strikes develop into violence, we've seen what happens. Still nothing.
It's about time people get serious about the current situation and near future, because people are too damned optimistic, have too much faith in our politicians, of any party, and are going to end up seriously dissapointed.
Sorry to be a doomer.
The issue isn't the current government, the issue is all the people (such are yourself) putting down striking workers instead of supporting them and their cause.
Frankly, we're long overdue a general strike. But the British public are such masochistic pussies that it probably will never happen.
i fail to see how suggesting people to be prepared for not getting what you want is putting them down. You say it like this doesn't affect me. Half my family works/worked in the NHS. Admittedly only 1 is a Dr and she hasn't striked because where she is, they didn't get enough union votes to allow it.
Maybe its the fact i grew up with my father striking in the 80s (not the mines, dockyard. Didn't work) been to enough protests, seen the inside of a police van too many times, and prefer to not go up before the magistrate again, that im jaded to it all.
But sure, lets all ignorantly cheerlead them on from the sidelines, right? ๐๐๐
I want to be wrong, but, mark my words, short of a revolution, nothing will happen. Partly because protests don't work and partly because this country's economy is circling the drain.
Just heads up, don't expect a reply if you do.
Then it isn't realistic for the NHS to have junior doctors...
Though the Tories want nothing more than to finish off their destruction of the NHS, they still need enough of the working age population to have sufficient health to be in the workforce. As things stand, too many people cannot access healthcare in a timely fashion, and have had to leave work, with consequent impact on the similarly vandalised benefits system, and the nation as a whole.
This is not remotely sustainable, and their plans to privatise healthcare will only exacerbate the problem. Reversing the damage inflicted is the only way forward.
i think the tories have managed it. for me, im going to have to find money from somewhere to go private for something ive been waiting to get seen to for years