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  • Putin has relied on historical borders to argue that Ukraine is part of Russia, justifying the war.
  • Mongolia's former president shared a map of the Mongol Empire, which included parts of Russia.
  • "After Putin's talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don't worry. We are a peaceful and free nation," he wrote.

The former president of Mongolia mocked Russian President Vladimir Putin over the weekend and his focus on history to try to justify his invasion of Ukraine.

Putin has frequently used historical borders to justify his brutal invasion, arguing that Russia has a claim over Ukraine even though Ukraine is an independent country.

In his interview with Tucker Carlson last week, Putin outlined centuries of Russian and European history to justify his invasion. Historians say much of the history he gave doesn't stand up.

Tsakhia Elbegdorj, who was Mongolia's president between 2009 and 2017, and was also its prime minister, poked fun at Putin's argument on X.

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[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago

I would like to see this map.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I have Privacy Badger so I didn't look at the Xitter post, here's a map I found from the Wikipedia page

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

"parts of Russia" is really underselling it.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 14 points 10 months ago

Would have been "all" if Ogedei hadn't caught a severe case of drinking himself to death.

[-] Hoxton@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

One cup a day. That cup happens to be the size of a bathtub.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Yeah. First of all, there wasn't really a "Russia" at the time. Vikings invaded the European mainland and controlled some settlements like Novogrod. They eventually made it down to Kiev, and for a while there was the "Kievan Rus" state with its capital in Kiev. That was destroyed when the Mongols sacked and completely obliterated Kiev.

In December 1237, Moscow was sacked by the Mongols, and many / most (?) of the civilians were either enslaved or killed. The Ukraine area was important because the Ukrainian lands were so fertile, but Moscow wasn't, so it retained some independence. Moscow was under the thumb of the Mongols to such an extent that they acted as tax collectors for the Horde, and when town officials resisted the tax collection on behalf of the mongols, Alexander Nevsky (Prince of Novgorod, Grand Prince of Kiev, etc.) had their noses cut off. The Russians only stopped paying off the Mongols in 1476.

Eventually the Mongol force faded due to infighting, and one of the forces pushing them out was based out of Moscow. But, again, this isn't because Moscow was important and powerful. It's because Moscow was at the very edge of their territory, and wasn't a strategically important place the plains of Ukraine.

Putin's whole "Ukraine has always been part of Russia" is backwards. "Russia" was originally part of the Kievan Rus, based out of Kiev. Eventually, after the chaos following the Mongols, Ukraine was fought over by various empires, but it wasn't until the 1800s that most of the territory now considered to be Ukraine was in Russian hands.

[-] zik@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Depending on the time you choose, Russia was much smaller than that too.

[-] Mereo@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago
[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I must've scanned it too fast, so the twitter embed didn't load.

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