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You know which brand of "leftists" like pull this kind of shit right? Yep, red fash, fucking Tankies. I'd be fucking worried if zoomers are actually acting like this.
If they're red fash I'll be worried, but if they're just going Reign of Terror or Paris Commune or Anarchist Catalonia, I'll accept my execution with good grace.
The reign of terror french were pretty proto-red-fash tbch, people don't exactly consider very often WHY it was where the fiercest resistance to this lang d'oil region centered uprising was concentrated in regions like the basque country, bretton country, and the lang d'oc regions. It wasn't that they yearned for royalist ideals to be reinstated, it was because Robespierre and his even crazier backers were so paranoid by the end that something like movements for language rights were treated as exactly as traitorous as plotting to restore the bourbons to the throne with a counter purge to boot.
Something the modern revolution idealizing french seem to have made fully into one of their "the quiet part" policies with how they implement their version of laïcité.
It literally was, though. The language conflict you're describing didn't hit full swing until the Third Republic. The revolt in the Vendee was largely a reactionary movement by peasantry who were miffed at the idea of the bourgeois taking the place of the traditional aristocracy and clergy. The Vendee itself spoke lang d'oil and is, in fact, one of the original regions of lang d'oil.
Bullshit it didn't hit full swing until the third republic the third republic was just when it also picked up the dynamic of the religious and language rights of immigrant communities because of all the colonialism the third republic was doing in Africa and the ME
Immigrant communities btw who were the actual resistance backbone in WWII, and who go unrecognized because the french right were collaborators who wanted their stories stamped out to preserve french nationalist narratives, and the french left were the backstabbing stalinists who sold them out to the Nazis before liberation came so that they'd get to take credit for all the heavy lifting post war and wanted to cover up their own complicity.
Never trust a "leftist" who thinks state sponsored murder is a good idea. They have no interest in anything except to be the executioner, and to feel nice and self righteous when they pull the trigger.
"Authoritarianism is cool when "the people" are doing it"
Uh, if that's what you think all of those movements were, then sure.
It's not that in either case the entire movement was especially authoritarian in their time periods and settings, it's just that you're willing to let people literally infringe on your right to live if it vaguely is in service of "the people." If the world was against me, maybe I'm just an asshole, but I still have to fight for what I believe to be my best interest. Do I have any reason to do anything else?
Yeah, that's normal for people with actual beliefs. Surely you have a few you'd die for?
Yes. Absolutely. Unless your opinion is that only selfishness is legitimate.
My opinion is that only selfishness is legitimate. Again, give me a reason why not to. I care about my friends and family because I'm alive and get to experience the connection. I care about living in a safe society, and hopefully one that will treat people less fortunate, as I feel I have been given a shitty hand in many regards. This is all self interest. That all goes away when I die.
Edit: Also miss me with this "would die for my principles" shit. You're literally defending dying for something you don't agree with.
Then we have nothing to talk about.
Man tankie is this place's favorite meaningless insult. Y'all use it where it doesn't even make fuckin' sense.
Tankies we're the type to drag "intellectuals" out to cane them, simply for holding a position at a university.
Tankies we're the type in Cambodia to literally kill those wearing glasses.
Referring to people who'd execute "counterrevolutionaries"?
Mao rehabilitated the last Qing emperor, there's literally no excuse to be ordering state sanctioned murder against anyone else.
I'm not debating the morality of it but in your previous example it was used improperly, as it often is on Lemmy. That was my only point.
Not my example, but it's still literally objectively correct, the only kind of leftist who yearns to send the opposition to the wall is a tankie.
Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass realized trusting the state with the precedent of being able to kill people for any reason at all is the biggest idiot's bargain save maybe for signing a contract with Donald Trump expecting him to actually pay for something.
Tankie refers to Stalinism, you're watering down the term to be against any form of violent revolution, which would put EZLN in tankie territory by your own terms despite their being Libertarian Socialists.
I get what you're trying to do, but I think I'm in agreement, you're using tankie where it doesn't belong.
Bruh, if the EZLN is for murder under the color of rooting out counterrevolutionaries then yes they too are tankies, it's not about the stated ideology, it's about the authoritarianism they get up to regardless.
Lenin proclaimed an ideology that called for basically syndicalism, still used the cheka to kill all the syndicalists for being counter revolutionary.
It wouldn't have mattered who was running moscow, what mattered was their supporters demanding they send the tanks in to kill the "counterrevolutionaries" in Hungary.
Authoritarian social revolution is absolutely tankie shit, they're proud of it.
Then why are there tons of people defending it?
Because you’re conserving the status quo?