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None of what you're saying makes the slightest sense. You're advocating for a bunch of policies proposed by no parties and with no popular support and then saying you're going to vote Lib Dem? It's totally incoherent. You started out complaining about Tory voters voting Tory. How will you persuade those Tory voters to vote for your dystopian daydream?
The party that comes closest to what you say you want is Labour. The cowardly thing for them to do would be to pretend that everything's just great, that we can all just cross our fingers and wish the Tories away. They're actually out there trying to win the votes they need to make things better.
How doesn't it make sense, those are policies I would like to see, that a lot of voters would like to see actually.
Yeah no shit mate, that's exactly the problem.
So what? I've voted LD in the past because they have had more progressive policy and they support PR voting reform unlike Labour they actually implement as policy objectives the things their members vote for, unlike Keir who just ignores his party on issues like PR. Yeah Daveys not inspiring, but neither is Keith.
No it isn't, I just laid out for you the kind of policy I want and Labour are a million miles away in Tory land.
Isn't that exactly what he's doing? Crossing his fingers and having power handed to him by default because the Tories are hated and the voting system is shit? That's what it seems like to me.
They are trying to won votes, but HOW are they going to make things better? Are they going to do anything about those major issues I mentioned?
Because all I've heard from fucking Keith is Tory talking points about growth and tough on crime and it makes me want to fucking vomit.
You know if he said he was going to be tough on Tory criminals and criminal wealth hoarders like the Royal family.. I could get on board with that, but we all know what that shit is about it'll be 'anti social behaviour' and cracking down on poor people smoking weed and shit.
Edit :
Also, I know this is youtube comments but I just came across this, just take a look at the comments under Starmers interview here it's remarkable how similar in general they are to what I am saying and there's LOADS of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcPqLVUQn4c
As I have already explained, Labour's plan is to raise taxes on the rich (through abolishing non-dom status and VAT exemption for private schools) and to invest that money in building green infrastructure and housing, while reforming planning to make that happen. Starmer says this stuff all the time but you've instead opted to get your news from YouTube comments.
As for the Lib Dems, doing what their members ask, I have two words: tuiton fees.
It's not nearly enough none of that actually fixes anything it's again just faffing at the edges and I don't believe he won't u-turn the second the Daily Heil throws a headline at him.
What you need to realise is that there's a growing number of people feel the same, we are sick of this shit.
Yeah, a fucking Labour policy in the first place.
You've obviously decided to vote Lib Dem regardless of reality, so I'm not sure there's any point continuing this discussion.
What we've established is that the Lib Dems and Labour have the same vices, as enumerated by you, but that Labour have the policies closest to your own. If you think that's a reason to vote Lib Dem, I guess that's your right. As for me, I'm going to vote for the party most likely to do the kinds of things that we both want: Labour.
I haven't decided anything yet, there's a long time until the election.
Maybe Keith will be toppled and Ed Miliband will come in and start saying things I like, and then I'll change my mind.
Well I have listened to your points, I did some research on the ULEZ thing and I just don't think that's the reason they lost this by-election. the current state of things Labour should be walking that and I don't believe ULEZ explains it, most people won't have to pay anything for ULEZ it's a total non issue.
I mean, they support PR don't they?
They always have and they've never played politics with the issue, same for the SNP. I'd vote for that even if I didn't like their other policies.
If I thought they were going to do the things I think we agree need doing, then I would agree, but I don't trust them and I definitely don't trust Keith.
I should say, I quite liked what he had to say about Brexit and things before he became leader and in fact he was my prefered choice for leader (not that I get a vote as I am not a member of any party and I wouldn't last 5 mins in Labour with all their rules anyway) , I am judging him based on what I've seen.
The trouble is, there is no party that really is offering the radical change we needed 20 years ago. At least voting for a PR party we can maybe get that done and maybe in 5 - 10 more years we can start getting some actual good policy.
I'd be quite interested to know why it is you have as much faith in Starmer as you do?