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He was able to bypass the government to supply Israel.
He's using Ukraine as a political tool just like the Republicans.
US got them into this mess. Least they can do is support through the rest of the mess.
Israel was buying weapons with cash so didn't need to go through Congress for money. If Ukraine showed up with cash, Biden could approve it too.
This is probably part of the reason there's a push to let Ukraine use Russian sanctioned assets to pay for things
Pretty much the entire reason. They really don't want to seize assets because that's the carrot for Russia to end the war and go home. The weapons are the stick. It's better to have a carrot and stick approach than selling off the carrots to buy more sticks.
Hadn't looked at it that way before, thanks for the insight!
Thanks. Didn't know that was a factor
We actually did use it with Ukraine:
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/ukraine-non-standard-ammunition
I'm assuming they just don't want to use it with very large sums, as its supposed to be a measure for emergency situations. Using it with tens of billions worth would be very bad politically here in the US.
It has nothing to do with the amount. From your link:
"The Government of Ukraine has requested to buy"
That wasn't the US giving weapons. It was Ukraine buying them. Ukraine can buy weapons at any time because purchases can be approved by the President. But giving money requires Congressional approval.
Not quite.
When we do Foreign Military Financing programs, we give a set amount of money that the other government then pays us back from, buying what they wish. So, Israel pays us for our weapons. Just, with money we gave them. They also buy weapons from us with their own money, we only cover a fairly small percentage of their total defense budget.
The Arms Export Control Act covers the situation regardless.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Export_Control_Act
Yes but that money was already given to them by Congress. So the purchase of weapons using money they already had could be approved by Biden.
But it still falls under the purview of the Arms Export Control Act. Congress gets oversight over more than just money, if they pass a law that gives them that authority. Which they did back in the 70s.
Congress can vote on it if they want to. They aren't required to vote. There's also a loophole that started in the 80's that effectively lets the President bypass Congress because he can veto which requires another vote with a 2/3 majority to override a veto. So Congress doesn't even bother voting.
Bypass is the wrong word there. Not having the votes doesn't mean they've been bypassed.
US got who into what mess?
Weird, I didn't realize the little green men in 2014ish were American.
Are you saying America forced Putin to invade Ukraine?
No.
The US pressured Putin to invade. Look up NATO expansion. Also what members of the US government had to say about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
There's no good guys here.
Let's recap for the people who still fall for this BS. A Russian diplomat claims that during some negotiations back in the 1980s, he was given a verbal promise that NATO would never move east. Everyone he claims was part of this negotiation claims it never happened, no evidence that it ever happened has ever come out, and, more importantly, it was never codified in any treaty. Although Russia has regularly used it to justify their aggression since then.
At one point, Ukraine started moving towards joining NATO, which pissed Putin off because he believes Ukraine to be part of Russia still. Ukraine elected a leader who claimed that he would remain neutral, but then decided to shift and get more cozy with Russia. They also decided to, because it was angering Russia and they didn't want to end up in a war with them, shelve the idea of joining NATO. However, most Ukrainians wanted closer ties with Europe, so there was a revolution who ousted him. In response to this, Russia, who was unhappy with this, invaded and annexed part of Ukraine. All the good it did them not joining NATO!
Falling for the dumb "appeasement" strategy again, they let Russia keep the stolen land. Then Russia, started funding (violating an actual written treaty) separatists in the east of the country, helping it get ripped apart by a civil war. So then Ukraine started talking about joining NATO again because, he, Putin just proved that not joining NATO wasn't going to stop his aggression in the country. And then Putin claimed "hey! Remember that treaty we made up about not expanding NATO? Well, you're violating it so we have no choice but to invade Ukraine." And a bunch of rubes fell for this line and think it's actually US and NATO that started this war, and not an imperialistic and aggressive Putin who started the war by invading a neighbor and illegally grabbing their land.
Not to mention the treaty after the fall of the Soviet Union where Ukraine would give up it's nukes if Russia and the US would give assurances (though not guarantees) that each would help Ukraine if the other tried to invade.
So really US support of Ukraine is following the spirit of that treaty.
In other words, Putin is a rat faced liar.
I didn't reference the events that you did.
What was the purpose of NATO? Is it still expanding?
Putin lying about the 'treaty' is more about internal propaganda.
https://academic.oup.com/dh/article-abstract/44/2/237/5699276?login=false
Why are people so against the possibility that the US government could be doing that again, but in Ukraine now?
NATO is a defensive alliance. Kinda seemed unnecessary with the fall of the Soviet Union, but with Russia starting land wars in Europe, has become extremely relevant again. Basically just prevents other countries from invading NATO countries. Putin doesn't like it because he wants to invade countries. Countries like joining NATO because they don't like being invaded.
Yes. Finland has joined and Sweden is soon to join. After Putin's invasion of Ukraine they didn't want to also be invaded. They never joined during the Cold War, they weren't as worried about the Soviet Union doing something as they are about Putin trying to attack them. So Putin has actually created the latest "expansion" of NATO, and now has a significantly longer border with NATO because of Finland joining. If NATO was the concern, this is a strategic defeat for Russia no matter the outcome of the war in Ukraine.
Because it's not at all the same situation. Ukraine is a democracy. Afghanistan had a Soviet puppet government the the Soviets were using their military to prop up.
Besides, this kind of "trap" depends on Russia wanting to invade another country. It can be easily avoided by simply not invading another country.
A lot of this logic relies on Russia having the right to invade Ukraine. It does not. Ukrainians have the right to join or not join NATO. It's their decision, not anyone else's. If Ukrainians want to join NATO, it does not give Russia the right to invade to prevent it from happening.
I'm not against the possibility. Where did you get that idea? If you had some convincing evidence that this was the case, I would be interested in seeing it.
What nonsense. As if the US could push Putin around.
We seriously cannot expect the USA/EU to bail out Russian Federation every time for their poor foreign policy decisions. No international order can be sustained that way.
By what means exactly? Are you going to also claim Poland pressured Hitler to invade? Because that's what Putin claims.
Did you look it up yourself? Latest inclusions were after the invasion.