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Forcing everyone to EVs is dumb, overly expensive, and not going to happen in the next 10 years.
PHEV is a far better solution for most and you can actually get the materials you need
Yeah, so dumb to end auto emissions.
Anyway, the climate can wait. We'll be fine.
Imagine believing mining up a rare earth metal and shipping it across the globe is somehow better for the planet than adding a short range battery.
You people are a cult. You just imagined some coal roller because I said full EVs are dumb. It's unhinged shit
Imagine mining (pumping really) up crude oil and shipping it across and ocean, then processing it into automotive gas, then shipping (with a diesel truck) to thousands of small locations across the country, where all those gas powered vehicles will have to drive to (burning more gas) just to get gas.
Don't pretend that a lifetime of fuel for an ICE car does less damage to the environment than an EV. It's a misdirection, not an argument.
Yeah because most drivers are using gas every day in their PHEV right? The vast majority of driving is in the electric driving and you don't have to deal with charging stations on the occasional long trip or specialty charging which is a primary blocker to adoption.
But yeah I'm sure everyone will have figured out how to get charging stations for everyone who doesn't own a single family home or some local coop owned changing system at home.
You people have shunned a highly effective opportunity to reduce emissions and get battery vehicles in there hands of more people for your little cult.
You know P stand for "Plug-in" right? You either plug them in to charge, or they charge off the ICE, which is burning gas. Arguing for PHEV, but then stating...
... Is kinda counter productive.
Not sure who "you people" are. I just wanted to point out that most of the complaints about EVs are equally valid for ICEs, but people seem to forget that Ford Raptors aren't sourced by local mom and pop organic farms when they complain about the global supply chain for EVs.
You mean like the palladium used in the catalytic converters installed in 100% of HEVs, PHEVs, and ICE vehicles (and not at all in BEVs?)? The palladium that is one of the rarest metals on earth? The same palladium where 40% of world supply comes from Russia?
You mean that kind of rare earth metal, right?
Yes that one. Far better used distributed in smaller batteries than being used by a few rich people.
Palladium isn’t used in batteries — it’s used in catalytic converters, which aren’t needed in EVs.
ICE vehicles use more rare earth metals over its lifetime than a typical BEV will use.
PHEVs have the same batteries as EVs, just smaller ones, which need the same rare earth metals.
Yeah, and it'll be distributed a lot more people. You only need 100 miles of so of range for every day use and you eliminate any range of long distance issues. The only draw back is increased maintenance on the gas engine. A trade off many would be happy with vs most people who don't want to go near a charging station.
Lithium is not a rare earth metal.
Sorry, your psychic powers leave much to be desired.
Nobody's forcing anyone to buy a new car. Just stay with having no car. They are just making it so you cannot buy pollution shit boxes. First world countries are doing this, the US should try to be like them.
Have you been to America? There literally isn't enough time in the day to live without a car. You'll be walking two hours to work and two hours back.
The fuck? I live in an extremely car dependant area, a combination of my bicycle, mass transit, and sometimes my motorcycle works fine. I get everywhere, on time.
If you can get around fine on a bicycle and mass transit, then you don't live in a "car dependent" area by definition.
I'd agree, but the mass transit is.. Half implemented, at best out here. How many miles/km are you talking about, is a better question.