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Germany: Berlin schools asked to distribute leaflet describing the 1948 Nakba as a 'myth'
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I'm as appalled as anyone here, but as someone who speaks German, follows German media and worked in Germany for several years, please stop with the misinformed "Germany supporting genocide again, I guess they never change hurr durr" bullshit.
Germans know their history and every kid is taught a deep shame of what past Germans had done. They feel they owe an infinitely large debt to all Jews for the horrors of the holocaust. They all still feel responsible.
There are laws against antisemitism. Again, this is reasonable for a country with this history. They don't want any of this to come back, or to make a joke or justification of what happened. Joke about Nazis in public and you'll find yourself in trouble immediately.
About the current events in Gaza. German media and politicians interpret criticism of Israel as coming from antisemitism, even if the criticism itself may be justified. They may not hear your arguments at all, if they think you're just saying these things because of some secret antisemitic agenda. It's not that there isn't any criticism, but there is very little and it's always surrounded with a lot of "I'm not antisemitic" qualifiers. You can say something about the Israeli government, but not about the existence of Israel itself. You can call the killing in Gaza terrible tragedy, but never a genocide. Public protest doesn't do that kind of nuance, so it's regarded as highly suspect. The chant "from the river to the sea" is tainted, so you can't say it at all, regardless of intent, interpretation of its meaning, they will flat out stop you. In this sense, dialog is certainly difficult. Once you cross the line, they will dismiss anything after that as the ramblings of just another antisemite. It's not possible to have the difficult conversations at all.
I'm not saying I agree with any of this, but this is how German society at large sees it. For me personally, zionism and Israel are harmful remnants of colonialist thinking that have no place in this century. Germany needs to grow up when it comes to their stance on Israel. Israel can't keep oppressing Arabs the way they have. Peace can only come from trying to restore justice and that means equal rights for non-Jews, return of land, right to return of refugees, economic aid, etcetera.
Germany should look at South Africa, Northern Ireland and to their own German Unification as examples from history to follow, and admit their holocaust trauma is distorting their view of the current situation.
I mean you have a point and I agree with most of what you’re saying, but we’re sending weapons and providing rhetorical cover for the Israeli government. E.g. by the police violently interrupting protests, or worse insisting that the claims of genocide are baseless and going as far as announcing to intervene on Israel’s behalf in the ICJ.
Palestinians are being killed by German-delivered ammunition all while Germany is defending Israel in the ICJ. This is clearly supporting the ongoing genocide
I know, it's fucked up. I just want to comment on these braindead "Nazis gonna Nazi, amirite?" comedians littering every thread about Germany and Israel right now
The reality is that people are really disappointed in Germany for once again supporting Genocide.
Especially with Gaza being a literal concentration camp entrapping two million people, the similarities become rather hard to ignore.
It's a low blow but factually the Nazis are Nazi'ing again pretty hard.
Nobody is personally holding you responsible, but I hope you can put pressure on your government to stop their complicity in this Genocide.
The low blow is counterproductive, don't you see?
I'm afraid that Germany doesn't get a free pass when, once again, it supports extreme violence along racial lines with an intensity that has surpassed every other such cases in the modern era but the of the Nazis, accompanied by extreme racist proclamations and even Nazi-style propaganda.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's gonna be called a duck.
It is not counter productive. It is an apt comparison that quickly gets people to understand the gravity of the situation. A huge Genocide is going on I do not care about people's feelings getting hurt from the truth.
I'll leave you with a final quote.
Okay, Nazi-
That's what you wanted right? Now cry foul and send more weapons to isreal.
Hey you're getting downvoted pretty hard in this thread but just want to say I think you're right. Having a nuanced opinion is tough on social media. (I already see one commenter calling you a Nazi as a result)
The whole idea that this is happening because Germans just love genocide so much is just beyond ridiculous.
Thanks. I think it's nice that you come out and say this. I want to say it doesn't bother me but it does. I am playing on the same damn team as they are. They're throwing all these talking points at me and I'm like "I know! I agree with all of that!", so surreal