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[-] zombuey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The person your responding to is absolutely correct. For the majority of Biden's career he was pretty despicable politician. He was one of the angry men yelling at the Anita Hill hearings. He famously lied about his credentials early on. For most of his career he has been owned by wall street. in the 70's, 80's and 90's he publicly had pretty hardcore racist and homophobic views. The Biden you see today is not the Biden most of America knows. He has never been a progressive ally.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-record-on-busing-incarceration-racial-justice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

[-] Mewtwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

He _is_the progressive ally that we need now.

It's unfortunate he was not perfect in the past, but he's changed and making amends. Why do Republicans have an issue with that?

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

not only was he not perfect in the past; but he still stand by his wrong decisions to this day.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Progressive ally? Biden was literally the candidate that the establishment put their full force behind (including having Obama make calls to have other candidates drop to back him) in order to defeat Bernie in 2020. Biden himself said "nothing would fundamentally change". A couple bones thrown here or there doesn't change that. I don't know if democrats are astroturfing here of all places or people are just deluding themselves into thinking he's doing more than he actually is, but he's really not.

[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

And yet somehow he was the still the best available option.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

he's an opportunist and knows that trump is unpopular outside his base; he's not the best available option, he's the ONLY viable option.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're not correct at all lol

Biden has never been a racist. People try to call him racist over a crime bill half-written by black congressional leaders and loudly asked for by the black community.

Biden has literally always been a stand up guy

Calling out his busing stance as wrong when it was prescient and he was 100% correct about a generation of black educators losing their jobs is... An interesting take, to say the least.

Maybe don't get your news from rags

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you're splitting hairs and you're being disingenuous by ignoring all the other bad shit he's done. off the top of my head his stances against gay marriage, against gays in the military and permanent-for-life student debt are enough to brand him an ass hat and the fact that he still stands by those decisions proves that he's not worthy of your vote.

you should educate yourself

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lol this is awesome because your very first example is not only false, it was considered a minor scandal at the time: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-gaymarriage/biden-apologizes-to-obama-for-same-sex-marriage-remark-idUSBRE8491NH20120510

Then he, you know, signed gay marriage into federal law.

Kinda stopped reading there but I'm assuming you said similarly wrong things.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yes because that was the one and only time that gay marriage was a topic of conversation lol

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You claimed that he opposes gay marriage. That is false. It is a newsworthy level of false.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Lmao instead of finding the same document over and over you could just ask me about the electability of a Presidential candidate openly supporting gay marriage in the years just before you were born.

You could just... You know... Learn

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

lmfao take your own medicine: i've provided proof that he's a 2-faced politician that gives into peer pressure and whatever gets him votes while avoiding anything unpopular and you're still rejecting it like a maga-ite.

secondly: they're not the same document, it's merely you actively refusing proof that contradicts your beliefs

finally: i'm old enough for doma, dont-ask-dont-tell and student loan debt to fuck me over permanently which is why i'm so salty when ignorant fools point to him as a worthy candidate.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Lol pretty hard to be old enough for doma and dadt to fuck you over "permanently" since they don't exist any more.

I get it dude I was in my 20s once too. Purity tests and passion.

You'll get better

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

thank you for re-affirming my belief that liberals are just a stubborn and willfully ignorant as maga when presented with evidence that their beliefs are wrong.

this world so fucked; but the the silver lining for me is that i'm old enough to be dead before the shit fully hits the fan and i hope that you get to enjoy its full affects.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was pretty sure my statement about you growing up and improving was a strong hint that I don't much care about your beliefs.

I might some day tho! Never stop growing.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

i happened to come across this article and shared with another who refuses to believe biden is an shitty political opportunist: https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/07/11/in-1996-sanders-and-biden-were-on-opposite-sides-of-doma-vote/

[-] Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you not see his response in the primary debates when kamala called out his segregation policies? Rather than admit that it was the wrong decision, he defended it and used the times as an excuse. Just look at his voting record, he's been very conservative over his career. It doesn't matter though, people change, and actions speak louder than words. He's doing good stuff as president and that's what matters right now.

Edit: spelled Kamala wrong and I'm embarrassed

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Perhaps rather than an abrupt about-face at 80 years old, you're simply incorrect about Biden's "history."

He was right about schools. We lost a generation of black educators due to the way desegregation was handled nationwide. Biden accurately commented on this. We could have done better, which is literally what he was arguing for.

I actually learned of this fact tangentially, through an old episode of Revisionist History. His campaign ignored it because it's safer to ignore than to trust people to understand nuance. Sound campaign move, but plays to a lie, fundamentally.

[-] Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Well hey that's interesting, I'll have to go read about that. Thanks!

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Can you at least try to spell the VP's name right enough that people know who you're talking about?

[-] Shikadi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yup that's embarrassing

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