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It’s a little more complicated than that.
I don't think it is lol. It's a rally he and his proponents called for, organized, and sought supporters for, specifically to halt the election process. Whether or not it was successful doesn't matter; I'd still get charged for robbery whether I stole money or not. It was govt supported; it was his rally, the sitting president. To me, the point was for it to be violent and messy, preventing the legal counting of votes, and giving him time to build a legal case for martial law or some other two-ply defense while he called more AGs and state officials to grift for votes to be "found" or valid ballots thrown out.
Is what the meme says supportive of him? No. Is he aware of that? Seemingly no. Is it incorrect? Also no. And that's the funniest part. It's literally calling it a riot while the most prominent images are his name on a hat, a flag, etc. Who staged this riot? I wonder...
Exactly. The time and location of his rally was not incidental.
These are all good points. By saying it is more complicated, my intention wasn’t to absolve him of responsibility but merely highlight that other government actors influenced the events of that day. Namely, FBI instigators encouraging violence, Capitol Police deaths being falsely attributed to happening during the riots, there not being enough security at the Capitol, Capitol Police waving in protestors, etc. It was his rally and he played an integral part so ultimately I agree with you but I contend it was more complicated than “Trump said violently enter the Capitol” or “other government actors are responsible and not Trump”. In other words, Trump was an irresponsible dumbass but there are definitely other forces who want to make sure Trump will never be president again.
See, I feel like the lack of security and other questionable actions were more in favor of Trump, allowing the crowd to move more freely and come closer than ever would be possible if they responded as expected. I'm not exactly up on my 1/6 lore recently, but regardless, shit wasn't handled correctly, regardless of what side you're on. Motivations get much more murky, which is insane. It just goes to show the state of US politics that were having to deep dive into primary, secondary, tertiary motives.
Not that other major nation politics isn't the same, it's just exhausting.
Yeah you’re totally right. That pretty much sums up Trump’s entire presidency. As someone who leans progressive, I was hoping he was playing 3D chess at times and would fix certain things given the overlap between populist and progressive ideas. But instead, we just got chaos.
It really isn't though. Donald Trump took to Twitter and went on camera to quite literally call his base to action. There's copious recoed of all of his actions throughout. He called for it and they came. There's really no gray area here.
Please do elaborate.
Hold your breath long enough for brain damage to set in and the truth will be revealed.
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By saying it is more complicated, my intent wasn’t to absolve Trump of responsibility but to suggest that other government actors influenced the events of that day. Namely, FBI instigators encouraging violence, Capitol Police deaths being falsely attributed to happening during the riots, there not being enough security at the Capitol, Capitol Police waving in protestors, etc. It was his rally and he played a very integral and important part but I contend it was more complicated than “Trump said violently enter the Capitol” or “other government actors are responsible and not Trump”. In other words, Trump was an irresponsible dumbass but there are definitely other forces who want to make sure Trump will never be president again.
I don't think anyone is arguing that it is 100% all Trump's fault. We know there are countless people under him in our society that aided. Did these people do this to make him look bad? It is very possible in this wide and wackey world. Though, I would conjecture a lot of those who "followed orders" on that day were doing so at the behest of Trump. I have no idea why I cannot see these replies on Connect but I can't.
Yeah, can’t argue with anything you said. Trump is the king of chaos.
What's your definition of insurrection?
From Encyclopedia Britannica:
insurrection, an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity by a group of its citizens or subjects; also, any act of engaging in such a revolt. An insurrection may facilitate or bring about a revolution, which is a radical change in the form of government or political system of a state, and it may be initiated or provoked by an act of sedition, which is an incitement to revolt or rebellion.
Sounds about right to me, what am I missing?
Haha I was just testing out Lemmy and didn’t honestly expect anyone to respond. But I agree with you.