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Systemd controversy be like (sh.itjust.works)
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[-] GreatDong3000@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago

Hi am noob why systemd bad? I use Debian, is fucked?

Honestly I've been hearing about this for a while now but never bothered to check, I'm too lazy for that.

[-] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 8 months ago

It's not inherently bad, it "fails" the Unix Philosophy of "Do one thing and do it well" but since Linux's kernel is:

  • Unix-like, not Unix
  • Fails this philosophy, as it does more than one thing but does all of it pretty well
  • systemd is just a bundle of tools that do one thing and do it well under one package, like Linux's kernel

It used to be a mess, but that's solved. The biggest reason to avoid systemd is mainly user preference, not anything malicious. 90% of current distros use systemd as its easier for the maintainers and package programmers to build for the general than each package and each distro having their own methods of how to do an init system and other tasks.

How Debian and Arch and Gentoo and Slackware and other big distros worked was different, and the maintainers of those packages had to know "Debian's way" and not a general way that most places accept. Systemd actually solved the Too Many Standards! issue.

I've never really seen a big argument against systemd, but maybe I've just not heard it.

[-] bus_factor@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

It also didn't help that Poettering isn't particularly popular on a personal level. I think there would have been a lot less drama if he had better people skills.

[-] TxzK@lemmy.zip 29 points 8 months ago

Yeah, but to be honest, I would have terrible "people skills" too if people sent me death threats over writing a free software.

[-] bus_factor@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Doesn't take much to get death threats on the Internet, unfortunately. He probably would have received less of them with a better attitude, though. He wasn't full-on Ulrich Drepper, but still pretty divisive.

[-] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah he seems kind of like a weirdo jerk.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 8 months ago

back when you had an init system and you got it just the way you wanted it, you would be pissed that you had to move to systemd

now its there when you install and it is stable so it isn't a big deal. But old beards hate change.

[-] dukatos@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Old beards built linux and everything around, have some respect.

[-] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works -3 points 8 months ago

It used to be a mess, but that's solved.

Do you mean the past tense of the verb solve or the systemd service that solves mathematical equations? Because solveds code is still a mess. It used to too, but it still is.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 23 points 8 months ago

No one knows to this day

[-] TxzK@lemmy.zip 20 points 8 months ago

I highly recommend you check out this video

SystemD is not really bad. Like 90% distros use it, and for good reasons. Some people just pointlessly hate it on it, same way some people like to hate on Wayland too.

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[-] dariusj18@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I believe partly because it takes over so many responsibilities that it becomes a requirement for things that don't need to require it. Plus it diverged from the Linux principle of do only one thing.

Also, afair, it was buggy for a while.

[-] starman@programming.dev 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

FYI: It's called Unix principle, not Linux

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

[-] dariusj18@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Oh yeah, thank you

[-] starman@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

No problemo

[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 6 points 8 months ago

There is a fork of Debian without SystemD. https://www.devuan.org/

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