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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

The agreement — signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and [Clinton campaign manager] Robby Mook with a copy to [Clinton campaign counsel] Marc Elias— specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised,” Brazile wrote in the story under the headline “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC.”

Brazils added of the deal: “[Clinton’s] campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.”

The Clintons outright took control of the DNC, hardly conductive to a fair primaries.


“I have an apology to make to @BernieSanders,” Phillips wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “I had long dismissed his complaints about the rigged Democratic Party primary system.”

“But you know what? He was right. And I apologize, Bernie,” he added.

Other D’s ageee


After hacked emails published Monday by WikiLeaks appeared to reveal Brazile, during her time as a CNN commentator, giving advance notice to Clinton’s camp about a debate question,

They further gave unfair advantages to benefit Hillary


In the emails, DNC staffers derided the Sanders campaign.[28] The Washington Post reported: "Many of the most damaging emails suggest the committee was actively trying to undermine Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign."[8]

The leaks show the DNC was weaponised against Bernie, they colluded together to find ways to smear his campaign, even suggesting antisemitism.


Etc etc etc. I’ve done this song and dance a million times with you people and if I was still on Reddit I’d go back and find my long perfectly sourced post that I’d trot out every time.

You’d end up saying “wahhh it’s not technically illegal so it doesn’t matter” and I’d go on with my day not wasting any further time. So enjoy me randomly copying stuff from the first 3 links I clicked on Google, you can be a big boy and go search those exact quotes to find the corresponding pages I got them from if you want to read more.


tl;dr: Hacked emails and admissions from DNC chairpeople all point to the same thing, the DNC was rigged to give Hillary an unfair advantage over everyone else. Democracy was subverted through this bias, and as such we will never know how Bernie would’ve failed.

What we do know is that Hillary tried her best to game the system and lost. So it’s not like Bernie could have done any worse.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

I guess I'm a proof is in the pudding guy. You've not provided any proof, just a lot of reason to be suspicious. This goes exactly like my debates with Trump supporters when it comes to the 2020 election "Well, I believe I have a lot of reasons to be suspicious, so it's reasonable for me to call it rigged." In both cases, the evidence does not back up the claim.

If the claim is that the DNC did some improper things during the 2016 democratic nomination and showed a bias against Sanders, I absolutely agree. If the claim is that they rigged it, sorry, my man, but that's just as fictional as the MAGA claims of 2020 election fraud.

I'm mostly copy-pasting this from another post I made, where someone graciously gave me a link that pretty much completely dispels the myth of rigging the 2016 (ironically, they were providing the link to make it seem reasonable to believe it was rigged).

https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1062&context=jlpp

From the link:

The bottom line is Clinton won the nomination because she appealed to more Democratic voters than Sanders did.

The ultimate irony of the 2016 presidential contest was the fact that the Democratic rules benefited Bernie Sanders far more than Hillary Clinton.

if every superdelegate from a state won by Sanders supported him at the nominating convention, Clinton would still have led Sanders by a margin of 2,721 delegates to 2,019.2 Likewise, eliminating superdelegates entirely would still have seen Clinton ahead of Sanders by a margin of 2,205 pledged delegates to 1,846

If the DNC had rigged the nomination process against Bernie Sanders, logic would suggest Hillary Clinton should have swept the caucuses and Sanders should have performed best in the primaries. After all, the state Democratic Party organizations administer the caucuses, whereas state and local election authorities administer primary elections. Instead, the reverse proved to be true. Clinton won twenty-nine out of the thirty-nine primaries, whereas Sanders won twelve out of the fourteen caucuses. Ironically, therefore, Sanders ran strongest in the election contests administered by the Democratic Party

The simple fact is Sanders lost the race because Democratic voters preferred Clinton. As the political scientist William Mayer observed, "whatever criticisms Sanders and his supporters may have about the 2016 presidential nomination process, they cannot reasonably complain that Hillary Clinton won even though the voters really preferred him. The primary results, in particular, speak loudly to the contrary."

The 2016 election demonstrated the disturbing ease with which political falsehoods spread. . . It is therefore more important than ever to document the historical record accurately. The myth of a "rigged" nomination must not be left unchallenged. In defense of America's democratic institutions, we must tell the truth about what happened in the 2016 election.

You’d end up saying “wahhh it’s not technically illegal so it doesn’t matter”

Don't put words in my mouth, you'll just make a fool of yourself. Although, I'm curious how you are going to spin and deny an actual analysis of the vote showing that it being rigged was extremely unlikely. Just like Trump supporters, you'll just keep on going believing what you want to believe, facts be damned. You're not the only one who has done this dance a million times. The difference between you is that I put the facts above my desire, and once they showed that it wasn't true, I stopped believing it.

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