189
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 18 Mar 2024
189 points (98.0% liked)
Asklemmy
43811 readers
860 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
Toyota has lost its way, using their "smart" cars to lock people out of features that they don't subscribe to.
I recommend people avoid them.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/12/toyota-owners-have-to-pay-8-mo-to-keep-using-their-key-fob-for-remote-start/
So dont use remote start?
Toyota wants to lock people out of features built into their cars.
Would you say the same thing if they started charging monthly for using the seat warmers?
If you want a dumb car and they disable the modules or features that could fail and are considered “smart”, and adjust costs appropriately, then what’s the problem?
If a Toyota connects to the internet to receive instructions to disable things built into the car, it is too smart of a car for its own good.
Are you seriously on the "sell my heated seats back to me" train? Because that's happened too.
Modern software works like that.
I resto-mod EFI onto old carb’d vehicles and I wish it had wireless updates. When you scale to Toyota’s size, it makes very little sense to require a service tech to perform software updates manually.
I sort of support the idea of selling a car with components disabled. It costs more to re-tool the assembly line than it does to build it all the same. For instance, many trucks have wiring to support towing but it’s not plugged in.
This is because there are additional costs such as warranty repairs for those types of components.
If a seat heater stops working, but was never enabled, it doesn’t need to get fixed under warranty. You also don’t need to worry about software code causing problems with that module since it’s disabled.
I don’t support anything that obstructs someone from turning that feature on though. If you can wire up a switch to heat your seats then great. I can understand why you shouldn’t expect to be able to hack the ecm or module to make it work though.
You've launched into full-on apologia for why dumb cars are bad, this just makes your suggestion look worse