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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Empathy.

One of my pet peeves is when I ask a question of someone, and they reinterpret my question (without communicating that reinterpretation), then give me the answer to THEIR question.

I'll be the first to say that is possible for someone to form their question wrong, but I give them the benefit of the doubt and give them the answer to their question FIRST, and then restate the question I think they want for the answer I think they're looking for.

Their question: "What time does the plane take off for Chicago?"

My answer: "11AM, but think you're asking because you want to know when I'm leaving. I decided to drive instead of flying and will be leaving at 9AM."

I allow for the possibility that their question IS the right question and give them their answer immediately, even though all of the conversation context suggests they're not interested in the plane departure, but instead my travel plans. Doing this avoids so many annoying conversations of confusion and frustration on both people's parts.

When asked on an informational topic, I give the one or two sentence answer, then ask "Does that answer your question or would you like more detail?" Lots of times people want just a short answer, but a surprising amount they ask for more detail and I'm happy to give it. Consent is important.

Lastly, I assume I'm missing information and can learn from others. When someone says something that doesn't match my understanding, I ask them to explain it so I can learn. I'd rather have correct knowledge than be "right".

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 6 months ago

One of my pet peeves is when I ask a question of someone, and they reinterpret my question (without communicating that reinterpretation), then give me the answer to THEIR question.

Not quite the same thing, but relatively similar. It irks me to no end when I ask a question that has some (either explicitly stated or—at least I thought—implicitly stated) elements that I understand. And then people answer the question by re-explaining the thing that I already understand. Sometimes they leave it there and the answer is completely useless. Sometimes they then move on to help explain the part I wanted help with, in which case I usually just try to move on, but that irking is still there in the back of my mind. Happened to me recently enough on this site to have immediately jumped to the front of my mind again when I read your comment, every single one of the answers provided rehashing what I thought were 101 elements I had demonstrated an understanding of in the wording of my question. Most at least moved on from that 101-level to provide helpful answers.

I allow for the possibility that their question IS the right question and give them their answer immediately, even though all of the conversation context suggests they’re not interested in the plane departure, but instead my travel plans

The second part of this is called a "frame challenge", in the sense that they've "framed" the question as "when does the plane leave", but you're challenging that because you think they mean "when do you leave". I like to explicitly tell them I'm frame challenging, if I recognise that that's what I've done. I like to think it lets them know "hey, this person thinks they're helping even though they aren't directly answering, but feel free to ignore it or clarify if they've made a mistake". It's also handy because in more complicated situations it can get the querant to reevaluate what they really want, because they may have just assumed they needed something particular that they actually didn't need.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Not quite the same thing, but relatively similar. It irks me to no end when I ask a question that has some (either explicitly stated or—at least I thought—implicitly stated) elements that I understand. And then people answer the question by re-explaining the thing that I already understand.

This one doesn't bother me as much most of the time. Some people brains work differently and what you're describing I've seen with two different thinking patterns:

  1. The person is "showing their work" to make sure you both agree with the premise and supporting arguments.
  2. The person is actively thinking through it out loud as a method to process your question.

However, if they get to the end of their re-explaining, and still haven't answered your initial question, then they can be pressed or guided into it. Sometimes you have to give an obvious wrong answer for them to contradict. "So are you saying the observer experiences no elapsed time relative to the traveler at the speed of light?"

I like to think it lets them know “hey, this person thinks they’re helping even though they aren’t directly answering, but feel free to ignore it or clarify if they’ve made a mistake”.

I try to accomplish the same thing by just giving them the explicit answer they asked for up front.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

I've heard this communication issue referred to as the XY Problem. Having a phrase for it has helped me to better recognise when it happens and respond as you do in your example.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I’ve heard this communication issue referred to as the XY Problem.

First, thank you for sharing that, it made my teeth grind with frustration. Second, I experience a variation on this that is particularly frustrating. I am a user that knows how to do X. I ask if X needs to be done. Others hear me asking if X needs to be done, and instead of just saying "yes" or "no" they make assumptions about why I'm asking if X needs to be done and instead suggest I do Y instead if I want to do something. I know that X is the appropriate action, what I asked simply if X needed to be done. When I tell them Y wouldn't accomplish the task, they say, "then you should do X". Right, thanks. I knew that already. That wasn't my question. Which brings me right back to my VERY FIRST QUESTION which they could have answered "yes" or "no" with..."yes, X needs to be done".

This happens moderately often to me and I haven't developed a method to communicate the idea nicely of "Please, just answer 'yes' or 'no' and nothing more" without being rude. Instead I to go through this whole exercise again and again just to be nice to them.

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