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[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 165 points 5 months ago

archive.org is cool and all, but a centralized service will never be a reliable way to truly archive something.

[-] ardi60@reddthat.com 63 points 5 months ago

this repo still lives and we still have Suyu that looks promising, So, no worries atm https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases/tag/EA-4176

[-] viking@infosec.pub 40 points 5 months ago

Github probably didn't receive a cease and desist yet, but I doubt they'll put up a fight against Nintendo.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 44 points 5 months ago

I highly suggest starting to familiarize ourselves with federated git repos. I‘m testing forgejo atm hoping to be able to host it publicly at some point. That way, once something is out there, its pretty much everywhere.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 5 months ago

the issue isn't federation or anything like that, the issue is finding a repo hosting service in a dmca resilient country

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 19 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I get that. But I dont think that its possible to really dmca every fork of a repo on 20 countries without running out of resources at some point because when one fork is taken down, people will make 10 more. the important part is discoverability imo. Feel free to educate me in case this is missing a point.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

its easy enough to send angry shit to every server, dmca and whatever rights violations they can think up, and it can become an issue.

Of course, the Federation is great, but you still need an instance that's in one of those privacy-oriented countries.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

You can get chatgpt to do this. Or write a simple script.

[-] kaputter_Aimbot@feddit.de 9 points 5 months ago

-- A wild Codeberg appeared. --

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Website: Codeberg.org


The organization selected the European Union for their headquarters and computer infrastructure, due to members' concerns that a software project repository hosted in the United States could be removed if a malicious actor made bad faith copyright claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Wikipedia: Codeberg e.V.


In June 2022 the Software Freedom Conservancy's "Give Up Github" campaign (in response to the GitHub Copilot licensing controversy) promoted Codeberg as an alternative to GitHub.

Conservancy: Give Up GitHub!

[-] Atemu@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Certainly better than the U.S. in that regard but I wouldn't consider Germany "resilient" either.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Unfortunately using codeberg itself is kinda crap. Its not the worst thing in the world, but it still has zero discoverability , and is missing features like code search.

it does have potential though if it is resilient.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

The DMCA only applies in the US. Every other country doesn't give a shit about your DMCA request.

[-] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago

and yet, they still obey them...

[-] ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

And even EU based companies will bow down to DMCA takedown demands, if they want to serve American customers.

[-] eratic@slrpnk.net 14 points 5 months ago

Federated git repos doesn't mean that the source code will be replicated across instances. It just means you can do things like create tickets and pull requests across instances.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 5 months ago

Not sure I understand. I should be able to fork a public repo across instances, no? Why bother otherwise?

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 9 points 5 months ago

Federation has nothing to do with that capability. git clone exists since the beginning of git.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 5 months ago

hmmmm... I see your point. Maybe I wasnt explaining my point clear enough. Right now, I cant see someones fork of some software if I'm on some gitlab which is not federated afaik. I should have said discoverability I guess. Does that make more sense?

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 1 points 5 months ago

I mean, not saying anyone should, because evading copyright is bad. But technically, you could run say forgejo as an onion service. Connecting git to clone from it would take some extra steps but, if hidden well it'd make it somewhat harder to take down.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

My man, you're commenting on the piracy community, in the piracy instance, run by a former /r/piracy mod.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 5 months ago

Evading oppressive mechanics is always a great idea imho but I digress.

I'm not really talking about making it unable to be taken down, which is already what happens when you put it in a non public repo. I'm talking about exhausting the corpo and damaging their image for going after people using software to play their bought games on their pc. It could kick off a trend of peeps shaming corpos (especially nintendo) for going after legit players who want control of their devices and property. (whoever feels like pointing out that "technically you just own a license", just dont).

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 5 points 5 months ago

Well, I run forgejo for my own stuff. So, let's say I decided to host something that is subject to a copyright complaint. As soon as people start using your repo and their lawyers get a whiff of it, they'll just take the IP of your server and DMCA the owner of the IP. Whether it be me, or the host. It's an entity they can go after and will need to yield to appropriate law. The effect would be the same as the DMCA going to Github.

But on tor, it hides the entity operating and running the server. Making it a lot harder to find the person to even send the DMCA to, let alone start the legal wheels turning, if it were ignored.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 5 months ago

Thats pretty awesome, ngl. Definitely something to keep in mind.

But think about 10.000 forks and 10.000 letters to 10.000 ips. This would create so much damage its not even funny. :)

Like a tiktok trend. „go to againstcyberoppression.com and download this hardcoded, federated forgejo instance with this repo to give nintendos lawyers something to choke on“

I bet they would give up if this goes viral!

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[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago

When I create a fork (in the web UI) does my instance not git clone from the source instance? Not going around cloning random federated repos I can see, but...

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

At least not one that's hosted in a country where the IP mafia has any power, which is unfortunately most countries excluding places like Russia or China where you probably wouldn't want to host it anyhow due to a variety of other, uh… issues

[-] viking@infosec.pub 11 points 5 months ago

As long as you host the checksums elsewhere so that users can verify the repo hasn't been tampered with, you can host files in China or Russia just fine.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 months ago

That's assuming that the only potential issue you care about is tampering though

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[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 months ago

This isn't hard. Torrent with a seed box somewhere outside of copyright enforcement is likely the best option as a "backup" source.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

🤔torrent based git server, is this a thing?

[-] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

will never be a reliable way to truly archive something

I think they're doing a damn fine job archiving something, and in reliable ways too

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Til it gets taken down and dismantled. Yes.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago

I wonder if IPFS would help in this case...

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[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Your license thingy broke since that thread where you explained your script. It doesn't spoiler anymore.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

What does it look like for you? I'm on the web client

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[-] dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Maybe it's just the Boost app I'm using

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

Probably. Does the Boost app support spoiler in another fashion?

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[-] antipiratgruppen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

The Eternity app does the same thing as Boost.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Nothing good is allowed to exist but in shadows. Shadow archives are essential.

[-] eardon@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Assassin's Creed 1 & 2 were trying to tell us something.

[-] electricprism@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago
[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

A decentralized storage providing service based on blockchain technology, if I understood that correctly

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