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Nancy Pelosi Among 40 House Democrats Demanding Biden Halt Weapon Transfers to Israel
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I don't buy your arguments. You interpret this as me not understanding them.
Your comment drips with condescension, gaslighting, and abuse. You call me a shill and an idiot.
We're talking about genocide. Genocide is both evil and wrong. Support for genocide is both evil and wrong. There is no moral ambiguity here. Your patronizing attempt to abuse the Socratic Method to get me to accept the notion that I should treat centrists like they haven't spent the past 6 months abusing people who don't like Biden's support for genocide has not worked because you're trying to get me to accept something contrary to my lived experience and contrary to what that experience has taught me to be a fundamental truth: centrists do not have misgivings about supporting genocide, and are hostile to those that draw attention to this.
My dude - The thing we are disagreeing about is what I believe. You don't get to have a difference of opinion about what I believe and lecture me about what my viewpoint is when I'm telling you and directly showing you with evidence that it's not what I believe.
I realize you've built this whole thing in your mind, apparently, where I and everyone else who's downvoting you just loves the fuck out of genocide and you're one of this rare minority who realizes that killing Palestinians is wrong, and we're all just lying evil people that you have to take this heroic stand against. I don't know what to tell you about it, honestly. But it's not like we're having a debate about what happened in 1832 in Prague -- I'm telling you my view, and you're angrily assigning me a new one instead, because the one you're assigning me is easier for you to argue against. I don't know, man, I don't know any way to show you that that's wrong other than try a few different ways to walk you up to the point. You can "not buy" it if you want, but it's just gonna be a big waste of time for all concerned.
Tru dat
Absolutely not. You gaslit yourself into believing nonsense about your interlocutors in a way that will make it impossible for you to understand what they're saying (or, for that matter, to make any progress in convincing them of your point of view, because you have no idea what they actually think other than what you imagined in your mind for them.)
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Honestly, refusing to answer questions about your own claims because someone's trying to "abuse the Socratic method" if they ask you questions isn't a great way to expand your understanding, or to demonstrate to them or yourself that your position is solid and truthful to objective reality
I'm not saying you didn't live a certain experience inside your own brain. I'm saying that that experience and judgements you lived and formed didn't correspond to what people actually said and what they believe.
It's not gaslighting if I'm literally sending you quotes and messages demonstrating that the objective reality doesn't match the picture you already formed in your mind.
Again: This is you telling me what "experience has taught you" inside your mind, and clinging to it in the face of objective reality being shown to you from outside.
You can assign me whatever views you want, and use them as a reason to discount whatever I say about whatever I'm talking about, if you want. You're still dead wrong about what I believe, and saying "fundamental truth" as a reason to keep assigning me these beliefs is an exercise in faith-based self deception which is leading you to be dead wrong about this.
Yes I am condescending about it. Sorry. I exhausted my patience to try to be polite about it after a while.
And this is where I am with centrists. Perhaps you understand now.
I tried dude