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unsure why we are surprised lol
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Can't wait for this to become a systemic issue with Lemmy. Why does everything have to be ruined by tankies and conservatives? They know that nobody wants to talk to them, but they will evade and disrespect the rules just to make other people miserable.
What a sad hobby.
Tbh, I'm not super worried, theres already been defederation with Hexbear and Lemmygrad. As they infect tanky safezones and cause more defederations because of it, non tankie specific federations are going to start becoming specifically anti Tankie in response. I mean, look at my comment calling them brain damaged, it hasnt been civility removed yet, which I feel is a good sign. So while they can always create new accounts on non Tankie federations, over time they are going to start having to hide their more violent revolution and dictator loving sides, which tbh, at that point I'll tolerate their presence.
Edit: It's kind of ironic how in a post where I called other people brain damaged, I wrote it like I was having a stroke. I've edited it to make it flow faaaaarrr better
This is the part I find hilarious. MLs think the reason people don't like their outdated brand of communism is because they are brainwashed. The reality is that people don't like their outdated brand of communism because tankies are insufferable, know-it-all autocrats who refuse to engage with any modern formulation of Marxist theory.
If MLs would be more academically engaged with contemporary political science, people would like their messaging much more. Of course then they'd probably realize that Lenin and Mao were just giant assholes, so I guess it's a bit of a paradox.
They don't want to engage because communism is just a facade for them to spread CCP and Kremlin propaganda. They're not actually communists.
I mean, their messaging IS shit, but I think one of the biggest flaws that cant be overcome even if they started acting less insufferably is that they are ok with and will defend tooth and nail any dictator that says they are communist. I do not for one second believe that Xi or Putin has ANY intention of furthering LGBTQ politics for instance. Tankies whole ideology isnt thought through and HEAVILY conflicting
There's a joke (or possibly simple wisdom) about a bar that's worth discussing here.
Is it similar to the story about a table, but for the other side of the aisle?
I don't know the story about a table. Which is surprising, because I grew up in a bright red community where delivering pithy metaphors about the futility of breaking bread with the opposition was sport. (For the record, I wouldn't break bread with Nazis.)
Its "If a table of 9 lets 1 Nazi sit at that table, it's a table of 10 Nazi's" or something like that
Oh, no, it's exactly that. "If you let one Nazi into the bar, congrats you have a Nazi bar."
Tankies are reactionaries.
Literally, the Bolsheviks were the reactionaries that suppressed and appropriated the Russian revolution, and said they were doing it at the time. 'M-L' is stalinism.
They're just red star brand conservative reactionaries.
This is just a very braindead take. Not all types of authoritarian mindset are reactionary. Red fascism is an absurd take which was originated by CIA propaganda in the 50s.
Your critique of authoritarian states, does not make them equal. That is a centerist take that smells like a moral jerk off ritual.
Could argue that, and if you brought up Cuba I might lose, but it's not the argument here.
Tankies, for historical reasons, with their Russia fetish, are reactionary. They fetishize a group of shitty reactionaries who killed all the communists (auth and otherwise). The origin of why we call them 'tankies' is a second wave of them being reactionaries who murdered all the communists.
It's really clear at many levels.
Believe it or not, in the age those tankies lived, shit wasn't easy. Trying to sabotage every meaningful conversation by hur dur tanky stuff is rather more braindead than being a conservative. Political change is messy, violent and fucked up in nature. Tankies committed atrocities and also provided some great shit to people who had nothing, like free healthcare and education, abortion rights and in 2 decades became an industrial nation.
Did they did a lot of wrongs? Yeah. Should we learn from them, yeah, did they also delivered, well they delivered, although with great price.
I'm typing this from a country so fucked up economically and politically, that you westerners won't understand. But trying to magnify and dilute the conversation with weird moral optics does not make lives of us 3rd worlders easier. You want to ride your moral high horse while every political inaction will stump hundreds in a minute.
They betrayed and stole the revolution, almost every other group involved would have done better.
In not shitting on them for being messy. I'm shitting on them for killing all the communists.
Tell that to the citizens of Tambov and Kronstadt sailors in the 1920s.
A lot of them are shills/bots. The Kremlin (maybe also the CCP, not sure) is supporting a bunch of political extremes, whether they agree with them or not.
Divide and conquer in a digital age.
Think of shitty kids who like to wreck everything they touch. Whenever they try to make their own clubhouse, it usually doesn't last long because they wind up wrecking it themselves. And while they like to wreck things, they don't actually like living in a wrecked clubhouse. They want to be able to wreck things and laugh as others suffer from their damage and have to fix it. So they invade other clubhouses because their own is always a fucking mess.
Have any Conservative instances been de-federated, or are there any? I've noticed a HUGE influx of 'Men's Rights' misogynists, wondering if they came from that happening.
It's not a hobby, they're paid by the CCP/Kremlin.
Both can be true at the same time
Nah. Gig economy. Know anyone who can keep their shit down to one job these days?
It's probably not, I think a lot of tankies are true believers (nobody pays for sponsored content in pillow talk. Yet. Yes ive made bad decisions.) but it could be.
Hey, that's not fair - many of them are paid by the RNC to turn off left leaning voters.
No they do it for free. These aren't paid assets they're angsty disaffected teens.
Some are useful idiots, the core is paid shills. I'd be surprised if they're not also starting to use LLMs.
If they don't get talking points directly from a trollfarm, someone influential over there watches a lot of Russian propaganda.
On the other hand, they do love yelling at libs to stop supporting the Gaza genocide, so I like them until they also start bitching about fighting a fascist invasion.
Pick your goddamn lane
They want to amplify the atrocities Israel is committing in Gaza because it increases the probability Trump gets elected, which would be a huge win for the Kremlin.
I'd guess there's backroom deal making with Iran as well given the political dynamics there.
How? Its already a fucking deathklok show.
And whose fucking fault is that?
That would be the fault of the idiots who'd rather see the literal authoritarian mad man come to power again than vote for Biden.
The suffering in Gaza has to stop but not voting Biden will have the opposite effect.
Could've run anyone other than biden. Could have offered us something, anything, that we actually want.
Biden could have proven he deserved two hours of my time in the past four years. Literally all he has to do, and theres still time, is "blockade against Cuba over. Blockade against Israel begin. All humanitarian aid must go through Palestine, Palestinian authorities must approve every shipment at the border, get right to loot at leisure"
Hell, they could even offer some of the accelerationist/unserious trump votes an actually good option to fucking engage them and take fascism off the table. They could do that. They don't.
And when they do win with a good candidate, they still roll over and let the fascist have the seat (last time they ran a good candidate was 2000), so even if I did like someone and want to vote for them, if I see a D by their name, I know even if they win, they'll never take office.
If you offer me a trolley problem, and I ask "why the fuck do you keep tying people to the other track, dude? What the fuck!?" And then after the fifth or six time just stop, I just stop signing off on your murders and step off the murder trolley, I'm not the monster here. ... Actually, this is literally a description of a scene in 'the good place', and it's a literal demon doing it to a terminally indecisive moral philosophy professor. Because its comically evil. Literally its a comedy and the audience is supposed to laugh at the absurdity of how pointlessly evil it is, and its the perfect metaphor for the democratic party.