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How come TurboVPN can have double the amount of downloads compared to NordVPN and ExpresVPN? ++
(slrpnk.net)
Disclaimer: I know TurboVPN and the others mentioned are not good services to use, I'm strictly doing research. I'm not looking for VPN recommendations.
Genuinely wondering how these numbers are possible? 300M downloads and 8.35M reviews...? How?! Not even Amazon Shopping app or Disney+ have this many reviews. And surely NordVPN and Express VPN are considerable larger in both users and resources? I've never seen a sponsorship, not even once, from Turbo VPN. Are these numbers regional based? Is Turbo VPN more known in other regions? Is it easy to spoof these numbers?
Appreciate any comments on the matter, and have a nice day 🌻
It's as simple as 'it's free'. Most people don't care about privacy, just bypassing censorship. Plus, the majority of people in third world countries can't afford to pay for a vpn, so they'll flock towards free ones.
and Nordvpn or Expressvpn isnt even private so... its paid but you still give all your data to them.
As much as I detest nordvpn they do have a 0 logs policy that has been validated. Don't give them money under any circumstance, but this isn't accurate.
What did nordvpn do that makes you hate them?
https://my.nordaccount.com/legal/terms-of-service/ It's only ~ two pages, 19 sections total. you should at least skim over the absolutely no guarantees, no refunds past 30 days, no refunds without needing support to "diagnose" your issue first.
Tickets are 3 day wait times, most of the updates are "do you know your account number" despite being in the ticket. The branded application is insanely unstable, since using ovpn client it's been somewhat stable but the android client causes problems with Bluetooth on my pixel. They built in multiple layers of kill switch automation INTO the product, they can't seem to figure out static ips. Honestly they are just incompetent.
So what I'm reading from your comment is:
Thanks for the info, I should try them.
If you care about privacy you should use tor/the tor network:
I run tor nodes. I use VPNs to bypass geoblocks, not for privacy.
Fair enough
Leak your identity twice in 20 days and get denied a refund and get stuck in a multi-year plan. Yup they are great
I thought the main issue with NordVPN was, good luck trying to close your account once you’ve signed up.
I don’t really remember, I use another provider and would avoid NordVPN if only due to their aggressive YouTuber push, they must be a scam!
I'd like to see them find out why a server crashes if that is true. If someone actually cares and knows enough I think an admin or someone from the government could determine a lot of browsing data and link it with users just through the DNS cache and time. I'm also very sure they have some kinds of logs, even if they don't log what each user is doing.
I doubt that really but if you trust them good.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nordvpn-verifies-its-no-logs-claim-for-the-fourth-time-302031533.html https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/nordvpn-passes-third-independent-no-logs-audit/
That will likely change with any pressure though.
Isn't that how non-self-hosted VPNs work by their very nature? The VPN owner is always going to know where your traffic originates and where its destination is.
Yes, but some claim to be log-less so while they can see your traffic, they pinky promise not to record it. Proton being one who proports to not keep logs, and seeing as they are Swiss ,that tracks.
(Proton VPN is the 3rd party one I use)
Proton is also a bit shady about their marketing and aren’t really transparent about governments asking for data. It’s also really really expensive for what it is.
That is the tricky part. If you run a public VPN and a governement comes to you and says "give us all you have on user X were investigating them" you sorta have to comply and you cant go telling people that you did that either.
A few of these services will have a line on their website along the lines of "we have never provided data to any governemnt" and when they get told to cough it up they remove the line. Protons data canary has been dead for a long time, and Im not sure if other VPNs even bothered to add something like that.
As for the price tag, I'm paying exactly for that privacy (and also their mail service, de-googling yourself is hard). If I needed a less private VPN I would host one myself.
Signal published their reply to a court subpoena that was funny.
Not all countries will comply, and not all will require you to stay silent
Tor doesn't because the server that you contact passes it to another and encrypts the data further the exit node can then decrypt it and perform the web request on your behalf without knowing where it's coming from.
Yes, but Tor isn't a VPN- the most distinguishing difference being when using a VPN all traffic from your device is sent to the VPN tunnel, while only traffic from the Tor browser is anonymized for the onion network.
Tor acts as a proxy Tor browser is shipped with tor but using a different port. Tor is not the browser.
So as long as you set up what you want to use with tor and remember to start it, it should work. Otherwise I'm sure you could setup a pi or local server to route everything through tor if you wanted to.
Edit: I believe the tor network is a VPN though. Your data is sent privately through the virtual tor network. Not all VPN connections have to work the same, after all Hamachi is also a VPN.
That's my thought, these are worldwide numbers, so while the "premium" VPN services are popular in developed countries where most have the disposable income to afford them, those in developing countries may find the free services much more accessible, even if they aren't as reliable. Income may not even be too much of a factor, sometimes software or services can get popular in places like India where there's just a very high population. India played a big part in worldwide desktop Linux growing to 4% market share, for example.
Right they do have a free, rather limited tier. But this still has me shocked that they actually got that many downloads. I've now also checked other free ones, and they also have 100M downloads, truly crazy. As these are so far from being good for privacy.
As I said, only very few people cares about their privacy, so it's not really that shocking. I believe that the people that download these vpns don't even knows what these companies are doing with their data afterwards. Can't be scared of something happening to you if you don't know it's happening, or even what's happening in the first place.
The majority of netizens have a privacy literacy problem.
I believe this to be the case indeed