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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 68 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of "both sides" blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden "Genocide Joe" or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden's policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump's policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 23 points 7 months ago

Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as "both sides".

Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

I have no problem with legitimate criticism. There’s plenty to criticize. However, when that criticism is derogatory, often baseless, and comes with the aforementioned attacks on voting, you bet your *** that there was nothing constructive about it.

The only people propping up their argument these days with “both sides” are the willfully uneducated and the conservatives.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 7 months ago

I'm willfully educated and a Bernie Democrat, and I've been accused of making "both sides" arguments many, many times. It's almost a guarantee that it will come out in response to any criticism of Democrats.

I don't disagree about disengenuous conservatives making bad equivalency or "uni-party" arguments. However, it's also true that the establishment consensus across both parties is very much outside the needs and desires of mainstream Americans.

I'm just pointing out of that it's really easy to accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it's not in the long term interests of the Democratic party to derail serious criticism.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Show us this "serious criticism". It needs to be:

  • sourced, or very well established facts, i.e. winner of an election (not including The Big Lie of course)
  • longer than one paragraph
  • have an original point

Bernie Bros are a thing. Not that you're a Bernie Bro, just that - Trump-supporting Bernie people most definitely exist and are famous for crapping in threads. As a Bernie person myself, I don't mean offense, I'm saying it's easy to say "hey i'm a progressive, but Biden sucks" and that's actually what we're calling out here. That's a russian troll mainstay. Actual reasoned criticism is . . . rare at best.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Bernie Bros are a thing.

Please try and apply your criteria to that statement. Write it up with multiple paragraphs with ample citations, add something original to it, then, frankly, shove it up your ass.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Or they call you a Russian asset/plant/bot or whatever.

Further, if you're a wage earner, chances are pretty good nothing has happened under Biden to make meaningful positive change in your life, so why skip a day's pay you desperately need in order to vote?

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

Unless you are in a union, have a child, drive an electric vehicle, did anything to make your home more energy efficient, want to avoid WW3, or benefit from a functional economy, Biden hasn't done anything for most Americans.

I have a lot of criticisms to make of Biden, but he's the best president we've had in at least 50 years. That is sadly an incredibly low bar, but I think he's cleared it. I think he could have handled Gaza a lot better, but I'm not sure it would have actually helped, and I'm pretty sure that no other recent president would have done much different.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure that no other recent president would have done much different.

If you're a wage earner, he is exactly the same as a Republican.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

If you mean he hasn't personally come to your home and washed the dishes and played with the kids, yeah. Ok.

For having not even two years to unfuck all the amazing bullshit Trump intentionally or incompetently caused with a Democratic house, he's done amazingly well.

And seriously "I'm a workin' man he ain't done nothin' for me" is straight up talk radio garbage. Do you want examples? We got a bag full. But I'm guessing you don't.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I totally agree. However I never see any well-stated nuanced argument against it.

It's always "Yeah teh genocide" and a (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

My point being, that's indistinguishable from a russian troll / MAGAt / b0tH SiDeS comment. Occasionally people will use some keywords like FPTP or Citizens United or such, which is good, but they usually still essentially just leave snark droppings and wander off. Which doesn't really help.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 18 points 7 months ago

And it's always either lemmygrad or Lemmy.ml

with a bit of lemmy.world sprinkled on top

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If Trump wins, he will outright ban the Democratic Party, if not at least make it SUPREMELY difficult for the party to be changed in any significant way for the better. I will only vote for Biden to buy a little more time in which for the more progressive wings of the Democratic Party to act. Technically, there's nothing stopping our government from just Thanos snapping a party out of existence. I really would not want to see Trump snap his fingers and suddenly the only party with the means to oppose him just stops existing. And before you say the DNC doesn't have the means to oppose Trump and the GOP, they absolutely do have the means. They have all the tools they need to stop them. The will to use those tools? That's what the DNC is sorely lacking. This is because the party is suffused with neoliberals and their bullshit that MUST be called out and pushed out. Unfortunately these neolibs also have a lot of money, something something the more progressive members of the Party are lacking.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

While I’m sure these trolls exist, I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.

My point is: everytime I see someone saying that lemmy is having a coordinated effort to trash Biden, it kind of makes me trust that statement less because I’m one of those who actually criticizes Biden without trolling.

This is why those trolls are so effective, cause their goal is not to troll us, is to get us to troll and argue with each other over miscommunications they started.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Then I don't think you understand the difference between trolling and criticism. There is absolutely plenty to criticize about Biden, and criticism should be done, however making up "genocide Joe" comments, trashing on voting for him, and implying potential supporters are complicit in the actions of the administration is not criticism.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.

Seriously? You think a majority of Democrats support genocide? That's . . . incorrect.

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